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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by iancmceachern »

ahuth wrote: post #212
dmix wrote: post #200

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SF certainly has its challenges. But in my 9 years of working in the financial district I never saw something like this. Obviously others will have different experiences than me. Point is, you can find crime and bad things in any city. San Francisco has work to do, but isn't the hell-hole people or the news make it out to be.

I live and have an engineering office in SOMA and I've had the exact opposite experience.

In 8 years living here my dog has been viciously attacked twice, we've had people attack us on the Embarcadero and around the sidewalks and parks in our neighborhood, and just yesterday I was lamenting that there was a time in my past where I wasn't comfortable around drug use. Now when I walk out of my office and see someone smoking whatever or I injecting whatever else it's just normal to me.

That's the problem in this city, living like this, all of us, normalizes all these things that shouldn't be.

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Post by anon291 »

ianhawes wrote: post #228
ahuth wrote: post #212

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SF certainly has its challenges. But in my 9 years of working in the financial district I never saw something like this. Obviously others will have different experiences than me. Point is, you can find crime and bad things in any city. San Francisco has work to do, but isn't the hell-hole people or the news make it out to be.

Thats odd because SF _has_ been the hell-hole people and the media have described it as in my own experiences. It would seem to me that Chicago, NYC, LA do have "bad parts" but they're distinctly separate from the "good parts". San Francisco's bad parts and good parts have evidently merged. I do not understand why people who live in SF have to effectively gaslight themselves into believing that the breakdown of certa…

I honestly think people like ahuth honestly don't see these sorts of things. I've found that a substantial portion of people who live in my lovely city of Portland for example, simply are not very good at observation, and will happily walk by incredibly dangerous situations and never notice. I've had to point out to my very progressive in-laws for example, needles in parks, drug deals in broad daylight, guns, etc, that they honestly just do not see. This complete lack of awareness is very common among a certain subset of residents, especially in cities, and probably explains why they vote the way they do.

I'm not sure how to go about teaching situational awareness, but I imagine voting patterns would change if people were aware at all.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by slowmovintarget »

bcx wrote: post #130

It’s been a while since we had sf offices, but back when we did sf had a pretty aggressive additional payroll tax and gross receipts taxes. I’d imagine this is likely a factor in the decision. I know for a while they were waiving some of these taxes for companies who set up offices in certain parts of the city. E.g. zendesk got a big tax break for its market street location near the tenderloin. As for commutes, I’d b…

Didn't Elon also give a politically motivated reason for moving his HQs out of California? [1]

[1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

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Post by ben_w »

throwaway290 wrote: post #150
jsheard wrote: post #116

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They've already cut about 80% of their workforce since Elon took over, I'm not sure how much more attrition they can take. Sure the site still mostly works in the technical sense, but the way it works now has led to a significant decline in revenue and active users.

I don't know if you are serious but because of LLMs trained on our work basically every tech company is scrambling for ways to get rid of programmers. Just yesterday I commented in a thread here where someone said 80% of their work is LLMable "bullshit" (somehow that guy, like many, didn't connect it to headcount or likelihood of keeping own job...)

Even if it wasn't for LLMs, it feels like a long time since I did more than convert someone else's Figma (or Adobe XD, or Photoshop document) into code, and glue it to a pre-existing API.

I'm sure real estate lawyers feel much the same about how rote their work is.

People pay for that, and it's valuable, but it does feel like these tasks should've been automated away a decade ago, without LLMs.

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Post by orwin »

1oooqooq wrote: post #142
orwin wrote: post #48

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I'm only on Twitter for Sport, but deranged political content tends to infect even that more regularly, so i finally bite the bullet and gave my data to Zuck through Instagram where I don't have to read conspiracy on athletes I actually like.

it's just a matter of time. when you stop dwelling on the random hot yoga posts while scrolling, after an ad scroll by, they will pump it up to other engagement content to feed the pavlovian cycle.

My consumption isn't high enough, I often look up at the interesting sport stories of the week, maybe a dozen post every day during the Olympics, but I used to use Twitter once a month to follow the NBA stories (hopefully it will work on Instagram, else I will end up subscribing to a real sport news media).

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Post by onepointsixC »

VancouverMan wrote: post #263
ianhawes wrote: post #228

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Thats odd because SF _has_ been the hell-hole people and the media have described it as in my own experiences. It would seem to me that Chicago, NYC, LA do have "bad parts" but they're distinctly separate from the "good parts". San Francisco's bad parts and good parts have evidently merged. I do not understand why people who live in SF have to effectively gaslight themselves into believing that the breakdown of certa…

> I do not understand why people who live in SF have to effectively gaslight themselves into believing that the breakdown of certain basic tenants of society is part of the culture of their city. That phenomenon isn't isolated to San Francisco, nor even to the US. The same mindset is also widespread in "progressive" Canadian cities like Vancouver, Toronto, and Ottawa, for example. From what I can tell, one of the mai…

This has been a legitimate problem of progressivism which strongly holds it back from gaining more popularity. You cannot be for public transit and environmentalism while simultaneously being against punishing anti social behaviors on public transit. If public transport doesn’t feel safe to riders they will use personal transport instead. But the notion that some people may hold some responsibility for where they may be in life by their own decisions is so repulsive that instead no one can be held accountable for the most extreme behavior in broad day light. Liberals should be thankful that Conservatives have collectively tied an anchor around their necks to someone so broadly repulsive and criminal as Trump, as if there were simply a boring Conservative alternative elections would have been blowouts against them.

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Post by ben_w »

ulfw wrote: post #157
BirAdam wrote: post #139

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I dunno. He seems somewhat consistent. I think people just generally don’t like the things he’s consistent about.

He is a consistent liar making fall promises that never come to fruition. I think people just generally don’t like being constantly fooled.

> making fall promises that never come to fruition

That's definitely not consistent; the SpaceX stuff may be always behind his schedule, but it does actually deliver, and even those delays are ahead of the rest of the entire industry planet-wide; and those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist and are really electric (the sucess of electric cars over e.g. hydrogen wasn't a given even when he took over).

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Post by mistrial9 »

dmix wrote: post #207
francisofascii wrote: post #118

So he's not moving X to Texas? Or is this just the preliminary move?

He said they want to move all the HQs to Texas, which implies they could still have offices in California just maybe smaller. This may be part of the plan. They are also opening a new Palo Alto office for xAI where they could move a lot of engineering talent as well. Which is likely the other big reason.

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