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Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Don't worry, you'll need to upload your photo ID to be able to login and do anything online.

People who run bots have IDs.

Indeed. And they also have everything else that could be used to ID a human, or soon will do e.g. DNA.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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I see. You’d need to be pretty daft to think the booking website is Ryanair but yeah I guess

That is not the deception. You see a Booking.com page offering a Ryanair ticket. The one deceived is Ryanair, when it gets an order from Booking.com pretending to be you.

ah gotcha. That makes more sense

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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And you still regulate it, just differently. The implied conclusion that regulation makes things expensive is wrong, and comparing the air travel market over half a century ago with the market today, and crediting a change made in 1978 for the difference doesn’t make sense. EU air travel is quite regulated with e.g. consumer rights for cash compensation, hotel and food service in case of delay, and yet air travel rea…

Flying budget air carriers is already so incredibly cheap in the EU. It is cheaper to fly from Belfast to London, than it is to fly Houston to Austin (half the distance) or Houston to New Orleans (roughly the same distance). I wish the US could figure that out.

Houston Austin is a business flyer route. That's why it's so expensive and you can get a flight every ~30mins or so throughout the day.

You can also fly AustinLA/Denver for 1/3-1/2 the cost HoustonAustin. I've flown to Canada (from Tx) for less than a Houston/Austin (or Austin/HoustonDallas) flight.

These routes are where high-speed trains would excel...if one could get past the airline lobby

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Is that 1% or 100% of their market? Did they turn a profit?

Booking.com reported net income of 4.2 billion in 2023. More than American Airlines ($822 million), United ($2.6 billion) and almost as much as Delta (4.6 billion). Meanwhile Booking.com has no planes, no hotels, no rental cars, no inventory of anything, really. https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/bkng/financial... https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2024/American-Airlines... https://www.macrotrends.net/s…

Almost entirely from hotel reservations. The flight business is a small slice of that.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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> and that it had induced a third party to access parts of Ryanair's website without authorisation "with an intent to defraud," the verdict said Where was the "defraud" happening here? When Ryanair wants to make money on flights they shouldn't offer flight tickets that only make money when they can lure the consumer to purchase addons via a boatload of dark patterns. For me as someone looking to book a flight, bookin…

> Where is a service where I can just enter from/to which city/airport I want to fly (or in Europe also rail) Try momondo.com. You can add # of luggage (checked in & cabin) and play with some other parameters. They won't, or very rarely will, show train connections. They sometimes show bus connections, though. For train travel I find trainline.com quite good. It gives you an overview over what's available an with whi…

Fun fact: momondo.com is part of Kayak, which is owned by Booking.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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I was at a startup event last year where someone that had been very senior and instrumental in Ryanair starting was talking to a small audience (<40 people). He told the story of how they didn't notice booking.com was "stealing" so much of their profit. To rephrase his words: "We gave those guys free advertising on our site and without us realising they were quickly making more profit per head than we were. Before we…

The “free advertising” has little impact on profits from flight tickets, as most aggregators don’t sell at a huge markup. He’s probably thinking of revenue Booking made from hotel bookings, where margins are way higher - but that’s not really taking away revenue from the flight company (and they get affiliate agreements to earn back a significant chunk of that).

> too big to effectively cut off

This is also true for the hotel industry, and is part of their moat. Smaller hotels especially can have the bulk of their revenue coming from aggregators, so they can’t drop the platform regardless of how much they like it or not. Building your own marketing channels is hard and expensive.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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This is the reason. Nothing is stopping airlines from offering 1-click bookings, except that lengthy funnels bring in tons of cash. Ryanair has been a master at this since the beginning of time. In 2020 I booked a flight directly on Google Flights and the booking was complete before I even realized, it was so simple. I never found that UI again.

> I booked a flight directly on Google Flights Does anyone else have the experience where 25-50% of the click-here-to-buy from Google Flights just don't work? Is it bait-and-switch from the carrier?

The underlying systems are old, slow and have multiple layers of caching, plus it’s a huge search space, so you’re never really seeing real-time availability. It’s just the nature of it that a lot of the times the tickets are already gone, though Google used to be one of the most reliable.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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> A jury in the District Court of Delaware unanimously found that Booking.com violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse act and that it had induced a third party to access parts of Ryanair's website without authorisation "with an intent to defraud," the verdict said I imagine this is limited to a scenario where you: 1. Act as a middle-man for the transaction (as this lawsuit was about resale), 2. Interfere with pricing o…

We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then.

Very good example for American centrism. Esspecially as Ryan Air is only operates in Europe.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Houston to Austin only takes a couple of hours to drive. Flying would be slower, more hassle, way more polluting and more cramped.

Heh, reminds me of the saying: An Englishman thinks a hundred miles is a long way; and American thinks a hundred years is a long time. Houston to Austin seems to take 50 minutes by flight vs. 2 hours and 30 minutes by car. That's not the best convenience ratio for a domestic flight (going between the two largest cities in Denmark is 40 minutes by air vs. over 3 hours by car), and it's certainly more expensive... Howe…

Just remember to leave early enough to arrive at the airport 90 minutes before your scheduled departure time ;)

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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This is the reason. Nothing is stopping airlines from offering 1-click bookings, except that lengthy funnels bring in tons of cash. Ryanair has been a master at this since the beginning of time. In 2020 I booked a flight directly on Google Flights and the booking was complete before I even realized, it was so simple. I never found that UI again.

> I booked a flight directly on Google Flights Does anyone else have the experience where 25-50% of the click-here-to-buy from Google Flights just don't work? Is it bait-and-switch from the carrier?

It has happened for me many times, so could have some truth here
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