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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by hparadiz »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #227
II2II wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I understand Microsoft has built up good will through efforts like VS Code, but it's all undone because of things like this. Someone in Microsoft should look into who is making these decisions, why these decisions are are being made, and why they are being received so negatively. Then they need to address them. Even though I'm not much of a fan of Microsoft products, I get the impression that they have some excelle…

Why do you assume these decisions are made below c suite level?

The decisions are probably made by a C suite level who is responsible for specifically OneDrive. They could not care less if the rest of the company crashes and burns on their way out the door with their golden parachute.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by metaphor »

Dalewyn wrote: post #44
wtallis wrote: post #6

Microsoft makes it a pain, but you can still jump through some CLI hoops to use only a local user account to log in to Windows, rather than the cloud-conmected Microsoft account they try to funnel you into. Not logging into a Microsoft account prevents OneDrive from doing anything other than spamming you with notifications about how great it would be if you logged in and started using it. And you can still uninstall…

Additionally for those with Windows 11 Pro or higher, you can straight up block OneDrive and other cloud functions with Group Policy.

> ...you can straight up block OneDrive and other cloud functions with Group Policy.

The world has certifiably lost its mind if this or any of the workarounds mentioned by the parent are acceptable to the baseline UX of a major paid OS.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by domador »

I am a lifetime Windows user (30+ years) and generally a laggard when it comes to adopting new products. However, during the past year, I've given more than a passing thought to biting the bullet and enduring the pain of moving to another OS (probably some Linux distro.) I'm a power user and a lover of good UI and it makes me very angry when a company destroys their product's user experience through awkward, clueless, and invasive marketing initiatives. Its weird how Microsoft seems intent on making their otherwise loyal customers increasingly distrustful of them by threatening to record everything that happens on their screens (if I recall correctly) and now by copying all their files to the cloud, whether you want to or not.

Hey, Microsoft: If you want to turn Windows into a bigger cash cow, how about charging a yearly fee for security patches, but then leaving Windows just the way it is (ideally at around the Windows 7 or Windows 10 mark), instead of encouraging your most loyal users to despise your product and start fantasizing about otherwise-uncomfortable alternatives? In any case, it's now increasingly likely that I won't follow you onto Windows 11. But go ahead, feel free to jump off the cliff by yourself, if you insist.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by slowmovintarget »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #169
jchw wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fathom how or why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux and doing real work on it. A lot of us look back just as puzzled, because when I switched to a Linux desktop for the first time in around 2004, it was definitely a choice, but it h…

Installing a mainstream distro on modern hardware (AMD graphics at least; I haven't tested Intel, Nvidia) is way easier and more relaxed than doing the same for Windows 11. Then installing apps, even with WingetUI it's far easier on Linux than trying to find and install apps on Windows... God help me, I hope Microsoft have learnt how to actually do window management this time to make all their crap worthwhile.

Their crap is no longer worthwhile. Each move they make is extractive, not additive.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by amanzi »

tsuru wrote: post #171
amanzi wrote: post #50

I'm all for hating on Microsoft for their continued destruction of the local Windows 11 experience, but I actually think this is a good decision. Assuming you're logging in with a Microsoft account, and assuming you have a OneDrive account, it's a better experience to set up the folder backup feature as early as possible in the set-up process. If you really don't want it, it's easy to undo. I still don't like being f…

What happens when small-firm doctors, therapists, dentists, etc. are suddenly having your (their patients') medical information backed-up to OneDrive? Microsoft only provide HIPAA compliance if a certain paid tier is purchased. If they automatically turn OneDrive on how will this not be a privacy nightmare?

This is light on details, but according to the article, this only happens during the initial Windows 11 set-up, and not for existing users: "Quietly and without any announcement, the company changed Windows 11's initial setup so that it could turn on the automatic folder backup without asking for it."

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Post by DaoVeles »

Syonyk wrote: post #24

I'm not the target market for Windows, haven't been for a while. But I genuinely cannot figure out what Microsoft's vision for Windows 11 is. Or if they even have one beyond "idk, shove crap in, meet OKR, get promotion... maybe?" For a while, it seemed like they were focused on making sure that they could link as much of your activity on your computer to you, as a person - witness the ever-increasing challenge of an…

A question I ask of a lot of thinking is "What is your end game? Do you have even one?". Not saying you need one but it is a helpful question to get some context.

Regarding Win 11, this looks like thinking towards the next quarters engagement metrics. Who knows what change will occur for the next quarter?

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by EasyMark »

wtallis wrote: post #6

Microsoft makes it a pain, but you can still jump through some CLI hoops to use only a local user account to log in to Windows, rather than the cloud-conmected Microsoft account they try to funnel you into. Not logging into a Microsoft account prevents OneDrive from doing anything other than spamming you with notifications about how great it would be if you logged in and started using it. And you can still uninstall…

I consider myself fairly technically apt and I can google solutions with the best of them, but I gave up after windows 10, they are just data mining everything, being privacy hostile at every turn. I liked windows 10 as far as looks and usability, but eventually I just gave up and went to Mac and I’ve been a linux user as well (at home desktop)for 15+ years so it felt like home anyway. I requested a Mac laptop for work as well, and while I miss out on some resources at work (mostly limited IT support) because of it, it doesn’t hinder my work or get in the way.

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Post by EasyMark »

Sayrus wrote: post #69
Zardoz84 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or just use a Linux distro and avoid all M$ shit

Unfortunately the world runs on Word and Excel and unless you want the even worse Office 365 experience, you often do need some M$.

Anything I need from ms office I can do with their online apps. They’re good enough for the company I work at and like 99%of other possible places I might work. For my personal stuff markdown and libreoffice are fine

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by DaoVeles »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #100
amanzi wrote: post #50

I'm all for hating on Microsoft for their continued destruction of the local Windows 11 experience, but I actually think this is a good decision. Assuming you're logging in with a Microsoft account, and assuming you have a OneDrive account, it's a better experience to set up the folder backup feature as early as possible in the set-up process. If you really don't want it, it's easy to undo. I still don't like being f…

What happens when your files are considered Bad and Microsoft removes them? When the OneDrive backend suffers bit rot or misconfiguration? What happens when your Microsoft account is compromised? When the photos of your kids in the bath are sent to the police? When you have a 10GB file that's frequently modified and the client then constantly scans it and uploads it? When your abusive partner, relation, co-worker or…

Something many have to consider. When doing something positive, think about how it can be abused to the negative.

It doesn't mean, do not do the good thing - it means consider how to prevent the bad thing at the same time.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by EasyMark »

behnamoh wrote: post #77
Sayrus wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the world runs on Word and Excel and unless you want the even worse Office 365 experience, you often do need some M$.

While I love Word for academic writing, I’ve found Apple’s Keynote and Google Sheets superior alternatives to PowerPoint and Excel.

Google sheets just is no way superior to excel. I’m not even sure how one can say it’s superior. Keynote is fine though. My presentations are just pictures and texts. I refuse to do transitions and all that other garbage.
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