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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by cletus »

thisarticle wrote: post #172
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

They’re releasing an app for Windows that will solve that piece at least. It’ll sync across both.

In the same way I don't trust Google not to cancel whatever it is they just announced, I don't trust apple to keep supporting software on platforms that aren't theirs. They just don't have a good track record and no real incentives. The last widespread Apple sosftware on non-Apple platforms was probably iTunes, which was terrible.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by sooperserieous »

musictubes wrote: post #262
dylan604 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud only, and they removed local storage of the vaults. If I'm somewhere that doesn't have internet connectivity, what happens then? Dislike of SaaS isn't limited to monthly fees, but the lack of features they removed to encourage SaaS adoption

How many passwords are required if you aren’t connecting to the internet? What would you be signing in to?

Do you only keep online passwords in your manager? I've got all sorts of things in mine, plenty that I might need without connectivity, such as the door code to that AirBnB or bank account numbers and PINs. Then again, I never would have done that without offline availability...

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by dylan604 »

musictubes wrote: post #262
dylan604 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud only, and they removed local storage of the vaults. If I'm somewhere that doesn't have internet connectivity, what happens then? Dislike of SaaS isn't limited to monthly fees, but the lack of features they removed to encourage SaaS adoption

How many passwords are required if you aren’t connecting to the internet? What would you be signing in to?

That's some low quality snark. I have plenty of local things with passwords. One example is encrypted external drives. That's all your snark gets from me on the off chance it's not actually snark. (must me the most I've used the word snark in one go)

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by egypturnash »

spike021 wrote: post #95
egypturnash wrote: post #56

So… this new app does most of what the depreciated “Keychain” app did, except now it’s got a iOS-looking UI. Huzzah, I guess, the “passwords” section in the iOS-restyled system prefs sure wasn’t substituting for Keychain for me. Passwords doesn’t appear to handle secure notes, though, and I still have a few of those, too. I still really hate the iOS-restyled system prefs. Tiny unresizable text, a long vertical scroll…

We've been able to lock notes in the Notes app for a while either with a password or Touch/FaceID.

Oh, you can? I should look into that then, thanks. I’ve vaguely settled on Notes as “I guess this is the least shitty replacement for the specific way Evernote fit I to my life” but have never actually sat down with its manual to see what it can actually do.

Hopefully Adobe won’t decide to start shitting a bunch of authorization credentials into private Notes the way they took over the Private Notes section of Keychain.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by diebeforei485 »

1Password has gotten progressively worse. It's now an Electron app (so it's slower to load), and some features have stopped working well.

They took VC funding to pivot to enterprise, anticipating that OS vendors would integrate basic password management features (what most of their usage at the time) into the OS.

So the consumer experience has been de-prioritized. I will not be renewing my 1Password subscription.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by avree »

smileybarry wrote: post #75
avree wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this not exactly what the Apple Keychain does? Manage keys?

Might sound like a technicality, but: iCloud Keychain can store the passphrase but can't store the key itself. You still need an encrypted private key on-disk to use this: https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/250572 . 1Password saves the key itself in the encrypted vault and implements an SSH agent that can then interact with OpenSSH etc. and provide key operations, like how a physical dongle would function.

Ah, that is a very important distinction. Thanks for clarifying! For my purposes, the passphrase storage works fine, but I can see how the vault could be a useful feature.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by ariuser8434 »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #213
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

Apple wants it to be a problem so it incentivizes you to switch over.

But Apple knows that there are many reasons why a user who may choose Apple where they make decisions for their dollars, is also a user who is stuck in other ecosystems in other context.

Of course, I'm talking about, for example, work environments where you may be stuck with a Windows PC, or have to use a corporate-owned Android device for your phone...

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by fanf2 »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #5

Surprised to see Forget LastPass , as if it's the current incumbent. It very much isn't, at least in my perception. LastPass disgraced itself into irrelevance back in 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LastPass#2022_customer_data_an...

2019: LastPass leaks credentials from previous site. https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=19...

2017: Design flaws in LastPass two factor authentication. http://www.martinvigo.com/design-flaws-lastpass-2fa-implemen...

2016: More LastPass security vulnerabilities. https://palant.de/2016/09/16/more-last-pass-security-vulnera...

2015: Even the LastPass will be stolen. http://www.martinvigo.com/even-the-lastpass-will-be-stolen-d...

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by xnyan »

jen20 wrote: post #197
fckgw wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password has gotten way, way better than it was a few years ago in my opinion. Tons of new features and the redesign a couple years ago was a big improvement.

The electron rewrite was a significant step backwards regardless of features and quality. I cannot wait to ditch 1P.

I hear this, and I believe people, but it leaves me in a confused state because I don't understand. I (think) I've used them all, and the only password manager that is in the same class or better is bitwarden, which is also web/electron.
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