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Post by IggleSniggle »

motoxpro wrote: post #251
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s tiring. Same thing happened to the GPT-4o announcement yesterday. Apparently because there’s no unquestionable AGI 14 months after GPT-4 then everything sucks. I always found HN contrarian but as I say it’s really tiring. I’ve no idea what the negative commenters are working on on a daily basis to be so dismissive of everybody else’s work, including work that leaves 90% of the population in a combination of awe…

Yeah it's pretty unfortunate. Saying something sucks is such a lack of understanding that things are not static. I guess it's a sure way to be right, because there will always be progress and you can look back and say "See I told you!"

Psh. Things are not static. Progress sucks now. Haven't you heard of enshitification? You can always look back and say, "see? I told you it would suck in the future!"

...why am I feeling to urge to point out that I am only making a joke here and not trying to make an actual counter point, even if one can be made...?

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Post by Workaccount2 »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #221
typpo wrote: post #114

The amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.

It’s tiring. Same thing happened to the GPT-4o announcement yesterday. Apparently because there’s no unquestionable AGI 14 months after GPT-4 then everything sucks. I always found HN contrarian but as I say it’s really tiring. I’ve no idea what the negative commenters are working on on a daily basis to be so dismissive of everybody else’s work, including work that leaves 90% of the population in a combination of awe…

AI is a pretty direct threat to software engineering. It's no surprise people are hostile towards it. Come 2030, how do you justify a paying someone $175k/yr when a $20/mo app is 95% as good, and the other 5% can be done by someone making $40k/yr?

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Post by drawnwren »

kaibee wrote: post #94
drawnwren wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. I've got it already, but I'm a bit of a gpt4 power user. I hit my rate limit biweekly or so and run up close to it every day. I'd bet maybe they prioritized people that were costing them money.

It might be just by sign-up order. I signed up for pro basically as soon as I could, but I never hit limits, and only really use it once or twice a day, sometimes not at all.

Interestingly, when I use Cloudflare's Warp DNS I don't have access to it. So, it might have something to do w/ region as well?

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Post by mrbungie »

localfirst wrote: post #180
typpo wrote: post #114

The amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.

We have to take account that this community (good chunk have stakes in YC and a lot to gain from secondary shares in OpenAI) and platform is going to favor its own and be aware that Sam Altman is the golden boy of YC's founder after all. So of course you are going to see snarky comments and straight up denial in the competition. We saw that yesterday in the comments with the release of GPT4o in anticipation of Gemini…

The amount of copium in this response is astounding.

Yes, there is a noticeable negative response from HN towards Google, and there has always been especially when speaking about their weird product management practices and incentives. Google hasn't launched any notable (and still surviving, Stadia being a sad example of this) consumer product or service in the last 10 years.

But to suggest there is a Sam Altman / OpenAI bias is delusional. In most posts about them there is at least some kind of skepticism or criticism towards Altman (his participation in Worldcoin and his accelerationist stance towards AGI) or his companies (OpenAI not being really open).

PS: I would say most people lurking here are just hackers (of many kinds, but still hackers), not investors with shady motives.

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Post by Dig1t »

typpo wrote: post #114

The amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.

Honestly just think that Google has burned their good will at this point. If you notice, most announcements by Apple are positively received here and same with OpenAI. But since Google's "don't be evil" persona has faded and since they went through so much churn WRT products. I think most people just don't want to see them win.

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Post by sebastiennight »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #41

Now that the first direct competitor to Sora has been announced, I am sure Sora will be suddenly ready for public consumption, all it's ai safety concerns forgotten

I think there's a tremendous compute cost associated with both models still... I can't see how either company could withstand the instant enormous demand, even if they tried to command crazy prices.

Even at $1 per 5-second video, I think some use cases (including fun/non-business ones) would still overwhelm capacity.

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Post by thesandlord »

aragonite wrote: post #168

With so much recent focus by OpenAI/Google on AI's visual capabilities, does anyone know when we might see an OCR product as good as Whisper for voice transcription? (Or has that already happened?) I had to convert some PDFs and MP3s to text recently and was struck by the vast difference in output quality. Whisper's transcription was near-flawless, all the OCR softwares I tried struggled with formatting, missed words…

We use GPT-4o for data extraction from documents, its really good. I published a small library that does a lot of the document conversion and output parsing: https://npmjs.com/package/llm-document-ocr

For straight OCR, it does work really well but at the end of the day its still not 100%

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Post by evantbyrne »

ugh123 wrote: post #219

From a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.

They claim it can accept an "input video and editing command" to produce a new video output. Also, "In addition, it supports masked editing, enabling changes to specific areas of the video when you add a mask area to your video and text prompt." Not sure if that specific example would work or not.

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Post by brikym »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #222
typpo wrote: post #114

The amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.

I think it’s fear. Maybe not openly, but people are spooked at how fast stuff is happening, so shitting on progress is a natural reaction.

Progress? There are loads of downsides the AI fans won't acknowledge. It diminishes human value/creativity and will be owned and controlled by the wealthiest people. It's not like the horse being replaced by the tractor. This time it's different there is no place to move to but doing nothing on a UBI (best case). That same power also opens the door to dystopian levels of censorship and surveillance. I see more of the Black Mirror scenarios coming true rather than breakthroughs that benefit society. Nobody is denying that it's impressive but the question is more whether it's good overall. Unfortunately the toothpaste seems to be out of the tube.

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Post by qingcharles »

airstrike wrote: post #39

> Veo > Sign up to try VisionFX Is it Veo or VisionFX? Is it a sign up, a trial, or a waitlist? How hard can it be to write a clear message? In the words of Don Miller, if you confuse, you lose.

And: Communication isn't what you say, it's what people hear

Agree this is totally confusing.

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