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The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.

A Synthstrom Deluge arguably ticks those boxes, except perhaps for the "piano layout" (not that I think that makes much difference when you can't play either device like an actual piano, and at least the Deluge has a luscious isomorphic keyboard) and the large screen (though the screen isn't really the primary interface on the Deluge, taking a more supporting role of dynamic visual feedback to the real interface, whi…

The Deluge came out a decade after the OP-1

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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I don't like most of TE's output but the OP-1 is definitely innovative.

Apparently, TE knows this Rabbit person's background as we are talking about millions dollar business. TE's values here are questionable when they decide to go with this guy. As for OP1, packaging a tape effect when it can't produce good sound quality is a fraud. Sampling from FM? Check Klaus Schulze.. Music startups can certainly innovate, such as Roli (Seaboard and Rise), moog. make noise. Open source monome. and,…

> If you praise te, I think it is unfair to other people who are obsessed with technological innovation.

Lol this is music hardware. It's value is the joy people get from using it. The OP-1 has a huge fanbase that praise the workflow and the interface specifically. If "hardcore technology" is important to you then fine but I don't think that applies to most people buying synthesizers - right before the OP-1 the entire industry was deep in a trend of analog reissues.

FWIW I don't think an OP-1 is worth the asking price but after a short time with one it's clear where the money went.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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I saw this news and my reaction was, "Of course it is, doing anything else would be stupid." But that on its own doesn't mean it could just be a phone app if the hardware adds something useful to the way the user interacts with it. For example, old Sony mirrorless cameras just ran Android under the hood but the specific hardware is what made those products, not the OS. As a hardware person, both the Rabbit R1 and the…

There was an attempt with folding phones. Is that taking off beyond the "I have too much money" crowd?

I know 3 people who switched to folding Android phones from iPhones and love them, anecdotally all were women.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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That makes me feel better about the whole project. If they were wasting their time developing a new OS from scratch instead of working on the programs running on it, I'd think they're nuts. I bought an R1 during the first pre-order and it arrived a couple days ago. In it's current form, it's not the AI from the movie "Her" that's going to manage your life for you. It's neat. It's a cool little toy that does interesti…

Yeah, I would actually expect most hardware like this to be running on some open-source OS, either Android (AOSP), Linux or some variant. I mean, even the hardware that Meta and Amazon produce are built on top of Android / Linux variants, so I would be surprised if smaller players were writing their own custom OS these days.

> either Android (AOSP), Linux or some variant

If it's a portable device with connectivity and a battery Android is the only choice if you want to ship it on any reasonable timeline. Even going a Linux route you'll burn months just getting power management and wifi/cellular working to an acceptable (not even great) level, so much struggle with poor to no driver support.

I'd love it if there was a better Linux solution because Android certainly isn't without some pitfalls but from my experience Android is the only viable way to ship a device like this today, not even Linux is a viable option.

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> Rabbit has reached out to Android Authority with a statement from its founder and CEO, Jesse Lyu. The statement argues that the R1’s interface is not an app Followed by a demo of someone copying the APK and the whole thing more or less working... I think Lyu forgot that the statement was for androidauthority.com (where people who understand android hang out) and not for his 80-year-old-uncle...

> Followed by a demo of someone copying the APK and the whole thing more or less working...

Isn't this how Android works though? The interface you boot into is an APK that has some more entitlements and hits some APIs. Like how should they have made it?

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I saw this news and my reaction was, "Of course it is, doing anything else would be stupid." But that on its own doesn't mean it could just be a phone app if the hardware adds something useful to the way the user interacts with it. For example, old Sony mirrorless cameras just ran Android under the hood but the specific hardware is what made those products, not the OS. As a hardware person, both the Rabbit R1 and the…

I don't think Sony mirrorless ever ran Android, they always ran proprietary Linux distro(MontaVista or Linaro or one of those) and for brief moment they bolted on Android 2.2 userland on it as an experiment.

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Are these privileged system-level permissions in the room with us now? What specifically are they?

why are you so incredulous that android might have some annoying privacy restrictions that a custom AOSP can sidestep? I would google rabbit's reasoning for this but I don't care enough

Because people were able to launch the app on their Android phones.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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As someone building an OS from scratch, of course it's not a custom OS. That'd be too large an overhead to support all the things android gives you out of the box.

That being said, their marketing terminology of "a revolutionary AI-based OS" is what's more problematic. If they had just mentioned it was an android platform none of this would have been shocking to anyone.

There's never been a company I've personally seen that is both truly innovative that also uses the term "operating system" to mean something other than an actual operating system.

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That's their reason to make it a stand-alone device. What is my reason to want it to be a stand-alone device?

While I'm not interested in this device either, you could make this argument for many standalone devices. Why does Nintendo keep selling their own devices rather than putting their games on phones and PCs? They think having it as a physical, distinct device offers something that a phone app doesn't, which is pretty on brand for them. Now, whether or not the buyers will agree with their thinking is another story.

I think Nintendo puts game-specific hardware in their portables. A phone wouldn't necessarily have the same GPU. Also perhaps they have more battery than a phone? I don't know, but it seems plausible Nintendo has actual reasons.

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A Synthstrom Deluge arguably ticks those boxes, except perhaps for the "piano layout" (not that I think that makes much difference when you can't play either device like an actual piano, and at least the Deluge has a luscious isomorphic keyboard) and the large screen (though the screen isn't really the primary interface on the Deluge, taking a more supporting role of dynamic visual feedback to the real interface, whi…

The Deluge was definitely a close runner up. Ultimately the OP-1 won me over on being smaller and having an integrated battery.

Smaller, granted, but the Deluge also has an integrated battery? Lasts ages too.
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