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Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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FWIW Teslas infotainment works better than CarPlay

Tesla's Spotify app had a long standing bug where it couldn't recognize playlists with more than 100 songs. To be dependent on a car company to give bugs for every individual apps rather than to just mirror from your phone, which will have patched apps right away..

Yeah its like smart TVs but worse

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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There's an interesting gap when discussing carplay/aa. Cars from the 90s up until about 2013 can be easily fitted with a $500 head unit upgrade, and support carplay quite well. With the right tools, it can be done in about two hours right in your driveway. Cars from 2018 and up pretty universally support carplay, and it's generally quite well integrated into the car's infotainment system. But, between 2013 and 2017,…

> But, between 2013 and 2017, things were a complete mess. In-car systems were too integrated to be replaceable with a third party 2-DIN unit, but too primitive to run carplay/AA Mazda sells a retrofit kit for their 2014 (Mazda 3) / 2016 (other models) and newer cars that didn't come with native CP/AA. It's about $200 and DIY if you're the least bit handy: https://mazdaparts.org/mazda-3-smartphone-mirroring-kit.html

Sadly my 2014 CX-5 is not supported.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Something that stuck out to me in the article: > There used to be a big difference in driving characteristics and technology between premium and budget brands. Compared to a Volkswagen, a BMW used to have a more powerful engine, better handling, and comfort features like seat-heating and cruise control. However, a Volkswagen Golf now has similar tech as a BMW and with the transition to EVs, drivetrains and handling w…

> BMW put out a car that shared a platform with a Toyota, in a move that should've caused a plague of locust to descend on Munich if God existed and had a driver's license Why is this bad on BMW? Doesn't Toyota make the most reliable cars?

The BMW Z4 2018 and later models shares platform with the Toyota Supra 2019 and later. The platform, at least according to both brands marketing, was co-developed, and it is manufactured in Austria by a 3rd party that also built cars for other brands.

And no, Toyota doesn't make the most reliable cars. It might have been true for some period of time, but isn't true for every model and every year (even Corolla, often suggested as a very reliable sedan, has some versions that are in fact infamous for their tendency for oil sludge buildup that result in engine failures).

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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FWIW Teslas infotainment works better than CarPlay

Doesn't matter because CarPlay and AA allow you to bring whatever apps you want to with you. If you listen to podcasts or books on your phone, you can continue them from the CarPlay/AA interface next time you drive. CarPlay and Android Auto give you the choice of your own app and full integration with the rest of your listening life.

That's a statement about audio playing only though. To first approximation the core job of a car infotainment product is map and navigation display. Everything else is noise.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Don't Japanese people have smartphones or tablets with navigation on them that they can use? I'd rather cars just have a place I can mount my own device, rather than include any kind of screen whatsoever with crappy un-updated, un-maintained software.

Cars can have better GPS reception, which is important when you're trying to drive in an urban area with a lot of buildings. Phones are bad at accuracy there. (CarPlay can provide car GPS to the phone though.)

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Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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If you're in the market for a new-to-you car, then I recommend looking at the model years where they switch from wired car-play to wireless car-play and buying the previous model-year. Typically this difference of one model-year can add thousands to the cost of the vehicle, especially because wireless car-play is so coveted. The experience of wireless is fantastic, but is it worth several thousand dollars? Maybe, but…

I haven't used wireless yet, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing, but I kinda just don't see why I'd ever need it. I'm going to plug in my phone anyway to charge, so what's the draw?

I haven't seen a car USB port that does fast charging, only slow 5V @ 1 or 2 amps. So if I need a charge, I'd rather use a fast 18W "cigarette lighter port" charger and wireless connection.

Otherwise my trips are usually short enough. Also my phone's dual screen addon case (LG V60) blocks the USB port.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Doesn't matter because CarPlay and AA allow you to bring whatever apps you want to with you. If you listen to podcasts or books on your phone, you can continue them from the CarPlay/AA interface next time you drive. CarPlay and Android Auto give you the choice of your own app and full integration with the rest of your listening life.

That's a statement about audio playing only though. To first approximation the core job of a car infotainment product is map and navigation display. Everything else is noise.

Have you not used maps via CarPlay?

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Tesla's Spotify app had a long standing bug where it couldn't recognize playlists with more than 100 songs. To be dependent on a car company to give bugs for every individual apps rather than to just mirror from your phone, which will have patched apps right away..

Yeah its like smart TVs but worse

Plus, that musky smell…

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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I’m curious, but honestly I don’t see any automaker ever playing along.

I don’t know man. Never underestimate Apple’s marketing. If it’s a good implementation, all they would need is 1 automaker to do it the others will have to. I wouldn’t consider a new car without AA/CarPlay and many others are in the same boat. Automakers had to start offering upgrades to their old cars to support AA/CarPlay. There is no way automakers could invest as much into software development as Apple or Google.…

I won’t buy without CarPlay either.

But if Android Automotive runs CarPlay, I’m not sure how much I care. And I’m a huge fanboy.

I’d like to be able to use Siri to control the temperature and a few other things. And taking over the whole screen could be nice.

But Apple is such a control freak about things I have a hard time seeing most car makers agree to it. And just about every industry Apple has touched has learned the lesson that Apple takes things over. Car makers clearly already dislike the fact that CarPlay is so popular, I don’t think they want to give Apple MORE leverage.

I find the idea of Android taking over the industry a problem (monoculture = bad, manufacturers are clearly not up to it themselves). Apple could be a hedge. But they’re not a play nice company even when they should be.

They haven’t learned humility again after losing it during iPod/iPhone rise.

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