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Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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I have to wonder what their end-game is. Eventually the word has to get out.

There is no end goal. They're desensitizing consumers and their children until what they're doing is seen as normal and acceptable so that they can push a little farther. Except for the fact that ads didn't obscure the content, Idiocracy had the right idea https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/177/116639897...

"Because advertising" ..

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You know Ive been looking for a dumb tv for so long - i just want the size, a bunch of HDMI/USB ports and wifi connectivity that i can stream to... Thats all. How is it that these "dumb" monitors are so much more expensive than smart tvs that dont last more than a year or 2?

BestBuy house brand (Insignia I think) are dumb and cheap but no wifi. I use a mini PC with an air mouse to add my own "smarts" that I can control.

Hmm I suppose wifi can be augmented with some kind of connected nas. Still mess no?

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How often does that change happen in practice?

a) when you turn on the TV b) most annoyingly, some android TV devices (e.g., nvidia shield, ccwgtv) use renegotiation instead of VRR for framerate matching. The FO48U supports VRR from 48 to 120Hz, which is more than enough to do framerate matching even with blackframe insertion for all desired framerates, but many android TV devices renegotiate instead. That means pressing play on Netflix takes 7 seconds until it s…

What's made this a bit more tolerable for me is to set the source's (Apple TV, but it does the same thing) frame rate, HDR mode etc. to the one most likely to be used by the majority of the content you're planning to watch.

But I'd take a few seconds of renegotiation over frame rate juddering any day, at least for film content (maybe not so much for shorter Youtube clips).

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Please enlighten me as to how: - iCloud is a privacy nightmare - iCloud e2ee with ADP is sometimes-kinda e2ee

iCloud by default allows Apple to read and see all of your photos, files, and iMessages, as the iMessage sync keys and message history are backed up in non-e2ee fashion. Everything you send and receive via iMessage is visible to Apple and they turn over 70,000+ user accounts of data per year to the USG without a search warrant . To operate in China, Apple has to run parts of iCloud on CCP-controlled hardware. Presuma…

Oh, because Apple has the plaintext file hashes even under ADP, if those files exist anywhere else in any user account in iCloud (that doesn’t have ADP enabled) then Apple has the plaintext file contents too, so it’s effectively non-e2ee for those files.

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a) when you turn on the TV b) most annoyingly, some android TV devices (e.g., nvidia shield, ccwgtv) use renegotiation instead of VRR for framerate matching. The FO48U supports VRR from 48 to 120Hz, which is more than enough to do framerate matching even with blackframe insertion for all desired framerates, but many android TV devices renegotiate instead. That means pressing play on Netflix takes 7 seconds until it s…

What's made this a bit more tolerable for me is to set the source's (Apple TV, but it does the same thing) frame rate, HDR mode etc. to the one most likely to be used by the majority of the content you're planning to watch. But I'd take a few seconds of renegotiation over frame rate juddering any day, at least for film content (maybe not so much for shorter Youtube clips).

Personally I'm hoping nvidia will release a new nvidia shield androidtv box soon with support for VRR, as my AV receiver and the FO48U support VRR without any issues. That'd allow perfectly smooth watching experience for all content, which would be awesome.

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It doesn't work that way anymore and people need to understand the old rules are gone. We've passed an inflection point where a few companies have dipped their toes into extreme enshittification or excessive price increases and survived, so we're seeing the start of a free for all. Think of Reddit and Twitter doing user hostile shit starting last year, and fast food raising prices beyond the point where it's a discou…

> fast food raising prices beyond the point where it’s a discount relative to better food anymore. Fast food has usually been more expensive than (not just “not at a discount to”) better food, ceteris paribus , because you are paying for “fast” in both money and quality. It is less expensive than better food that also has higher grades of service when the demand for service at the level at issue is sufficiently great…

I don't think you pay for fast. You may need fast so you settle for worse, cheaper food. But you sacrifice a better, slower dining experience. I'd consider that its own qualitative tradeoff separate from pricing.

But even if my framing is wrong, the fact remains that fast food has traditionally been cheaper than better (restaurant) food and only recently has that discount started to go away.

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You know Ive been looking for a dumb tv for so long - i just want the size, a bunch of HDMI/USB ports and wifi connectivity that i can stream to... Thats all. How is it that these "dumb" monitors are so much more expensive than smart tvs that dont last more than a year or 2?

sceptre tvs are pretty affordable. Have been using it for a while - no issues. No wifi though, just hdmi and usb.

I'm currently in the market for a 55-inch Sceptre "dumb TV", for a family member, having seen them frequently recommended on HN.

But I can't find one anywhere! I even tried e-mailing the sales contact on their Web site, but I haven't heard back. Any pointers?

(I can't find a 55-inch Insignia, either -- that's the other "dumb" brand that gets some recommendations, including in this thread.)

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BestBuy house brand (Insignia I think) are dumb and cheap but no wifi. I use a mini PC with an air mouse to add my own "smarts" that I can control.

Hmm I suppose wifi can be augmented with some kind of connected nas. Still mess no?

I just use a small little PC (no NAS) to stream content from the internet. For local, over the air broadcasts, I use a Hauppague external USB dual tuner that has been rock solid for years.

The PC controls everything using a gyro/air mouse. The only thing the big dumb TV provides is a HDMI display. No mess, no ads, no injected content, no spying. I have full control of what I choose to see --- sports, movies, etc.. You would be hard pressed to name something I can't get.

https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Control-Gyroscope-Learning-P...

https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-DualHD-Tuner-Windows-...

https://www.dvbviewer.com/en/index.php

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iCloud by default allows Apple to read and see all of your photos, files, and iMessages, as the iMessage sync keys and message history are backed up in non-e2ee fashion. Everything you send and receive via iMessage is visible to Apple and they turn over 70,000+ user accounts of data per year to the USG without a search warrant . To operate in China, Apple has to run parts of iCloud on CCP-controlled hardware. Presuma…

Oh, because Apple has the plaintext file hashes even under ADP, if those files exist anywhere else in any user account in iCloud (that doesn’t have ADP enabled) then Apple has the plaintext file contents too, so it’s effectively non-e2ee for those files.

Gotta trust someone if you want to use things like cloud file storage. Everything you said is true but sensationalized, someone could be accessing my files but I trust that there are controls in place not to allow that. If I cannot trust Apple, then why should I trust Google or even an AWS EC2 configured by myself to host my files? Anything could be backdoored and any service could read your data, either trust no one and live offline or choose to give your trust to the most trustable service. I chose Apple for now.

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Oh, because Apple has the plaintext file hashes even under ADP, if those files exist anywhere else in any user account in iCloud (that doesn’t have ADP enabled) then Apple has the plaintext file contents too, so it’s effectively non-e2ee for those files.

Gotta trust someone if you want to use things like cloud file storage. Everything you said is true but sensationalized, someone could be accessing my files but I trust that there are controls in place not to allow that. If I cannot trust Apple, then why should I trust Google or even an AWS EC2 configured by myself to host my files? Anything could be backdoored and any service could read your data, either trust no one…

This simply isn’t true. There are lots of ways of not trusting cloud storage; that’s the whole point of end to end encryption.

You don’t need to trust the provider to not read your files if they are encrypted clientside and they don’t have the keys.

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