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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by gravescale »

bigbillheck wrote: post #111
gravescale wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know the economics must somehow make sense, but it's still hard to wrap my head around the fact that even with quite literally once-unimaginable computing power, semi-magical modern materials, structural theory, decades of recorded research and testing, international standardisation, leaps in simulations, optimisation, robotics, pneumatics, hydraulics, electronics, networking, transmission, logistics and supply cha…

"Won't", not "can't".

You're right, but there's a lot of people here making excuses predicated on treating entirely socially-voluntary problems (like providing no public transport, or allowing regulatory capture to inflate costs) as laws of nature.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #26

I feel like the only person in the world who was thoroughly underwhelmed by it and really don’t see how its future space requirements for a staircase can be justified. This isn’t me trying to be edgy, I like cathedrals, this one (and his general style) just left me cold. Duomo in Milan was far better imo.

Same. The crowds and tourist atmosphere certainly don't help, but even disregarding them I wasn't impressed with what I saw.

Same goes for the few other gaudi buildings I peeped at, as well as park guell. I can understand how their design in the late 19th/early 20th century would be very novel, but it all just seemed merely whimsical rather than inspiring or thought provoking.

If we're comparing late 19th century basilicas, Sacre Coeur takes top billing in my book.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #173
azulster wrote: post #158

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some people use anarchist as term similar to "vandal", "rioter" or "terrorist", just a rogue element at the time causing destruction or chaos.

But anarchists were a distinct and active political force in Spain during (and before) the Spanish Civil War. I suspect the page is talking about those anarchists. The Catholic Church was on Franco's side during the Civil War so a church wouldn't have been an unreasonable target for left-wing anarchists, though I have no idea if the claim is true.

I don't know how true to history the movie is, but if close, then "La Lengua de las mariposas" is a good example of basically anyone possibly being accused of being an anarchist at that time, if they were againt the Franco regime.

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Post by balfirevic »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #115
gravescale wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know the economics must somehow make sense, but it's still hard to wrap my head around the fact that even with quite literally once-unimaginable computing power, semi-magical modern materials, structural theory, decades of recorded research and testing, international standardisation, leaps in simulations, optimisation, robotics, pneumatics, hydraulics, electronics, networking, transmission, logistics and supply cha…

We can do that. But we can't make new space.

> We can do that.

Can we? Construction is heavily impacted by cost disease.

My friend recently had a house built and the plot of land was around 15% of the cost of the entire project. The land in more premium location would still end up under 30% of total cost.

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Post by panopticon »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #114
rsynnott wrote: post #52

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Well, the other thing is that many, perhaps most, religious people don't know very much about their religion. Very few Catholics would know the difference between a cathedral and a minor basilica, say (which is what started this thread off in the first place). Actually, I'd argue that this isn't a religious question, anyway; it's administrivia.

This is correct. Catholics pretty much gave up on talking about the faith to anyone, whether to the general public or even their own children during the 1960s. And it’s not only administrivia, for example only half of US Catholics have heard about transubstantiation and only a third believe in it. [1] 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/05/transubst...

> only half of US Catholics have heard about transubstantiation and only a third believe in it

That's a startling figure, but I've been out of the church for a while. I recall that being taught during first communion and confirmation.

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Post by selimthegrim »

levocardia wrote: post #266
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Swaminarayan Akshardham in New Jersey is new and beautiful. Probably noteworthy that it is also a religious building. I think ugly modern buildings are a problem of aesthetics and ambition, not one of finances or possibility. Old buildings on American college campuses are wonderful; new ones are dreadful yet certainly much more expensive, even inflation-adjusted.

Did they ever settle up and give the back pay to the indentured servants they essentially imported?

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Post by jscheel »

I have always said that most cathedrals, basilicas, etc leave me in awe of the catholic church's wealth and power, but do little to draw me closer to God. Sagrada Familia left me speechless. The way Gaudi works nature and light made me feel close to God in a way that I had never experienced before.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #26

I feel like the only person in the world who was thoroughly underwhelmed by it and really don’t see how its future space requirements for a staircase can be justified. This isn’t me trying to be edgy, I like cathedrals, this one (and his general style) just left me cold. Duomo in Milan was far better imo.

You're not the only one. Although the lighting inside may be beautiful, it is to me, from the outside, fuglier than fugly. Totally and utterly grotesque. I'd be tempted to say a wart in the city but then Barcelona and its superblock is not a beautiful city: it's got nothing on, say, Paris or Rome. So that wart is on par with the rest of the city.

FWIW I find everything made by Gaudi to be completely grotesque.

I don't care about the groupthink: to each its own bad tastes.

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

EdiX wrote: post #47
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #36

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Modern Architecture is ludicrous. We build and build depressing neighborhoods in cities for us to all flee to historical centres to experience beauty for a minute. I mean if you are in the US you are lost anyway, but the Europe has some beautiful cities (Amsterdam, Venice, Palma, Rome, Vienna the list continues), but none of them are modern. The citizens should be helped to find replacement, but please let's put some…

Ironically the Sagrada Familia is an example of modern architecture.

Yeah modern in the historic classification of the term, not in the way of speaking. Most people normally consider modern housing last decades. Lots of building up untill the second world ware are gorgous, but not considered modern by most people.

For instance Berlage in Amsterdam is modern in your classifcation. And his buildings grace Amsterdam, but most people would consider them "older", he was living around the same time of Gaudi.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Petrus_Berlage

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Post by pixl97 »

kiney wrote: post #140
alistairSH wrote: post #110

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Be careful to avoid survivorship bias here. Only the "best" buildings from Medieval and Renaissance times (or even later into the 1800s) are still around. Many of the buildings we constructed in the second half of the 20th century will be gone in 100 years or so. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there was a lot of criticism when the Louvre built the pyramid, but I quite like the contrast of traditio…

Nope, visit ANY old german village that wasn't bombed during ww2. Most of the old houses still stand and every single one is prettier than what is being build today.

And how much would that same house cost to build now?

Again, this is survivorship bias at best.

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