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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by mthoms »

sbuk wrote: post #182
afavour wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand…

If it’s enforced by regulations, by definition it’s no longer a “free” market. It’s a regulated one.

>If it’s enforced by regulations, by definition it’s no longer a “free” market. It’s a regulated one.

By that definition there are no free markets nearly anywhere (save for illegal markets). At least not in modern, well-functioning economies.

(Attention pedants: I said nearly)

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Post by notso411 »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #105

Apple is still non-compliant with the requirements of the DMA, especially in regards to Article 6(7), which provides: "The gatekeeper shall allow business users and alternative providers of services provided together with, or in support of, core platform services, free of charge, effective interoperability with, and access for the purposes of interoperability to, the same operating system, hardware or software featur…

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Post by DrammBA »

dangus wrote: post #150
CaptainMarvel wrote: post #110

My tolerance for Apple's walled garden expired with what they've pulled in reaction to the Digital Markets Act. It's become blatant (to me) they are landlords of their digital empire seeking to squeeze rent from everyone. I wouldn't mind paying for their expensive and yet still-profitable hardware if not for the antics they pull on the software side. Everyone should be able to run whatever legally-obtained program th…

I just wonder how products like game consoles would be viable under a law like this. I assume they would have to cost much more and there would be far less incentive for their development in the first place. Then again, we are at the end stages of game consoles. Microsoft in particular seems to be considering the idea of not even bothering with hardware. Software is where the money is, Chinese hardware companies can…

I think consoles still make sense for their simplicity and convenience, there's a substancial demographic that just want a device they can turn on and game right away. They don't want the small annoyances that come with PC gaming (windows updates, proton compatibility, configuring graphics settings on a newly installed games, setting up gamepads, troubleshooting game issues, etc), and I'm not trying to exaggerate these annoyances to make them seem insurmountable, just saying that no matter how small the issue is, it's friction that users don't want. As long as that demographic exists, there will be consoles.

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Post by [deleted] »

ho_schi wrote: post #229

Apple isn’t considering that they are the baddies? I suggest strong regulation of the complete BigIT and two chairs for public observers at minimum. In addition they are not allowed to enter any new market. Why? Because it worked well with AT&T . Results: * UNIX * C * Open-Source * Public Documentation Sounds good? Until the Reagan administration appeared, allowed them to split up (Baby Bells), the UNIX-Wars followed…

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Post by fngjdflmdflg »

concinds wrote: post #128
andersa wrote: post #93

What the hell is going on at Apple? It's starting to become really funny to see one obviously non-compliant malicious compliance attempt being made after another. Do they really not understand that they're no longer involved in the relationships between users and developers?

Don't overcomplicate it. They want to preserve their Services revenue, because Tim Cook is a bean-counter and wants to maintain the profit margin. "After Steve" by Tripp Mickle provides some background. Many Apple indie devs and fanboys are literally screaming. I bet many people @Apple are too. There are so many things the company could do to regain geek-cred. Package manager and windowing on macOS. Align Mac App Sto…

I think you are right that doing these things would improve Apple's standing with developers but it is important to note that none of the things you listed are in line with Steve Jobs' philosophy which you seem to imply here. Recall for example that the iPhone (aka iPhone 1) did not ship with an App Store. Apple doesn't even let you make iOS apps unless you own a sufficiently up to date MacOS device. So when you say "regain geek-cred," I think it's necessary to point out that this geek-cred never existed with a large (although perhaps not majority) of developers/power users, and when it did exist, it was not because Apple was doing things in line with the steps you have proposed to regain it. It was always about polish and ease of use. So when you say they've gotten timid and conservative I'm not sure in what respect you mean that. Because in terms of openness they have not changed at all and are still completely in line with Steve Jobs' vision in this respect.

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

50 cents an install over 1 million downloads? Every year?

Is Apple trying to get fined? They're not even hiding the fact they're maliciously complying.

For one, this makes deploying a free app on an alternative store (that becomes popular) simply impossible? I highly doubt that was the EU's intent.

Usually with malicious compliance you can at least see the logic for a future legal case. Here, if they were trying to lose a future case I don't think you could do worse.

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Post by loceng »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #209
Etheryte wrote: post #84

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

~20% of Apple's total earnings (not revenue) could come from the App Store: https://deepwatermgmt.com/apples-app-store-is-an-important-p... When you look at the multiple on services - the App Store could easily be >40% of Apple's total market cap. They're going to stick their fingers in their ears as long as they can to defend that. You don't give up the golden goose. You defend it.

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Post by weberer »

m_a_g wrote: post #227

I wonder why the EU is pushing Apple this hard, and not the other gatekeepers. For example, Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo consoles should now support an external store.

That would be cool if they did. And lets extend it to all devices. Once I pay for a device, I should be able to do whatever I want with it.
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