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Israel has a professional misinformation and cyber warfare arm. It isn't even denied. Professional as in AC office's and salaried. I have no doubt they actively work in forums like these and try their best at applying pressure for which works sometimes and other times does not.
Paul Graham himself was a target of their work, he disclosed on twitter.
>“I refuse to build technology that powers genocide.” The Google Cloud engineer was subsequently fired Well google cloud can't power genocide, so what is your problem?
There is a book every technologist should read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
As the proverb says, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Israel is an inherently inequitable and therefore likely terminally conflict-ridden ethnostate. Israel is a reasonable reaction to a long and terrible history of ethnic persecution. What's going on in Gaza is an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. There are players on both "sides" of this conflict that are driving it because they actually want the conflict, people who never…
Up until Hamas attacked Israel, Palestine relied on Israel to collect taxes. Collecting taxes is the bmost basic government function there is. Hamas had twenty years to become a government. It was uninterested in doing so. Israel is not the genocidal agent here.
>“I refuse to build technology that powers genocide.” The Google Cloud engineer was subsequently fired Well google cloud can't power genocide, so what is your problem?
> Well google cloud can't power genocide, so what is your problem? There is a book every technologist should read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust As the proverb says, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
And this is a quote that ever technologist should also know. Anyway Israel is hardly engaged with a genocide currently, and even if it was there is absolutely no evidence that google cloud is having any kind of participation in it.
So once again - just political grandstanding like the dimwits that throw soup at the mona lisa and glue themselves to the asphalt that think that this performative crap is cost free. Thankfully this time it was not cost free.
What a brave person. He probably knew consequences. He can look in the mirror without shame.
Israel is an inherently inequitable and therefore likely terminally conflict-ridden ethnostate. Israel is a reasonable reaction to a long and terrible history of ethnic persecution. What's going on in Gaza is an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. There are players on both "sides" of this conflict that are driving it because they actually want the conflict, people who never…
Why is one a humanitarian tragedy but the other an unnacceptable attack. You're trying to absolve Israel of its role in the killing of 30,000 civilians over 5 months, to the condemnation of the entire world.
Israel is not entitled to kill civilians under any circumstances, not even if Hamas makes it hard to attack Hamas directly. If you look at the statements of Israeli leaders, it is clear that the killing of Palestinians is intentional [1]. As has been the long policy of apartheid and annexation of the West bank (where, you might remember, there is no Hamas).
Finally, to be clear the protest is of a Google exec by a Google employee over a google policy/contract which is part of the IDF's murderous policy.
Israel is an inherently inequitable and therefore likely terminally conflict-ridden ethnostate. Israel is a reasonable reaction to a long and terrible history of ethnic persecution. What's going on in Gaza is an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. There are players on both "sides" of this conflict that are driving it because they actually want the conflict, people who never…
> What's going on in Gaza is an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. Why is one a humanitarian tragedy but the other an unnacceptable attack. You're trying to absolve Israel of its role in the killing of 30,000 civilians over 5 months, to the condemnation of the entire world. Israel is not entitled to kill civilians under any circumstances, not even if Hamas makes it hard to…
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> What's going on in Gaza is an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. Why is one a humanitarian tragedy but the other an unnacceptable attack. You're trying to absolve Israel of its role in the killing of 30,000 civilians over 5 months, to the condemnation of the entire world. Israel is not entitled to kill civilians under any circumstances, not even if Hamas makes it hard to…
I don't think much of what Israel has done in Gaza is justifiable, but "cannot kill civilians under any circumstances" can't possibly be the standard; if it was, the Nazis might still control most of Europe.
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> What's going on in Gaza is an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. Why is one a humanitarian tragedy but the other an unnacceptable attack. You're trying to absolve Israel of its role in the killing of 30,000 civilians over 5 months, to the condemnation of the entire world. Israel is not entitled to kill civilians under any circumstances, not even if Hamas makes it hard to…
I don't think much of what Israel has done in Gaza is justifiable, but "cannot kill civilians under any circumstances" can't possibly be the standard; if it was, the Nazis might still control most of Europe.
We must hold the IDF to the same standard as we hold Hamas. Neither is allowed kill civilians, neither is allowed starve a population, neither is allowed detain civilians (whether as "hostages" or "administrative detainees"), neither is allowed to commit rape, neither is allowed commit war crimes.
The issue is that the IDF is much worse than Hamas on all these things:
- Israel has killed 30,000 (though the number is suspected to be as high as 50,000 now, and it continues to increase), while Hamas killed 700 civilians (I'll leave aside the very credible claims that Israel killed a good number of it's own)
- Israel has a much worse ratio of civilians to valid military targets (possibly between 5/1 and 8/1 ratio, while Hamas has 2/1 ratio during Hamas' attack, and it is believed many of those were killed by the IDF)
- Hamas has only killed civilians during the Oct 7 attack. Israel is killing hundreds of civilians per day, and has used rhetoric that indicates this is deliberate [4]. Even Biden, who claims he is a zionist, called Israeli bombing of civilian areas "indiscriminate" [5]. There are plenty of videos online of the IDF killing civilians, including today an old deaf man was killed by a soldier, and congratulated by his squad [11].
- Hamas has apologized for killing civilians; Israel has justified killing and claims it can and will continue to do so, including by denying aid (a war crime)
- Israel denies aid to civilians, directly causing a famine; Hamas does not starve civilians
- Hamas has by all accounts treated its detainees well; Israel tortures and rapes and sexually abuses its detainees [1]
- Israel is deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure (it claims Hamas is hiding there, which does not excuse it and this is a war crime)
- Hamas has been alleged to have committed a total of 3 acts of sexual violence (this is heavily disputed, see [2]). However the IDF has committed dozens of acts of torture [9] and rape [1] (this is only counting since Oct 7, but Israel has been killing, torturing and committing sexual violence against Palestinians since 1948, eg [12] )
- Hamas took 250 detainees, Israel had over 1000 before Oct 7 [10] and it increased to over 2000 since Oct 7 [3]. After releasing detainees as part of the short ceasefire, Israel recaptured some of the same people. An Israeli sniper shot a child who celebrated the return of a family member.
- There are multiple credible reports of execution of civilians by the IDF outside of combat situations (that is, they came into a place, expelled the women and children, and executed all the men and older boys) [6] [7]
- Israel has been killing thousands of Palestinians for years, including thousands in Gaza in 2021 and 2014, and of course 15,000 killed and 750,000 displaced in the massacres during the original invasion of Palestine by the settlers who created Israel. [8]
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-isra...
[2] https://www.oct7factcheck.com/sexual-violence
[3] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-ho...
[4] https://isitgenocide.com/)
[5] https://apnews.com/article/biden-israel-hamas-oct-7-44c4229d...
[6] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/20/palestinians-accuse...
[7] https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/1/18/video-s...
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
[9] https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6153/
[10] https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics
[11] https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17664047969095886...
[12] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/4/10/anger-erupts-over-v...
Israel is an inherently inequitable and therefore likely terminally conflict-ridden ethnostate. Israel is a reasonable reaction to a long and terrible history of ethnic persecution. What's going on in Gaza is an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. There are players on both "sides" of this conflict that are driving it because they actually want the conflict, people who never…
> an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. I think this is important to reiterate. Because forces us to pay close attention to the details. There are extremely reasonable justifications for both sides because both sides have committed atrocities. This conflict goes a long way back and I'm in no position to claim who started it. But I can recognize that one atrocity does not j…
Ever.