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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

It's unlikely that "regulators" had anything to do with it, given the quick resolution. I'd be more inclined to think that Epic went back to Apple hat-in-hand and begged to be let back in, probably promising to muzzle Sweeney.

Very unlikely, knowing who Sweeney is. And he is pretty much in control of Epic.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

It's unlikely that "regulators" had anything to do with it, given the quick resolution. I'd be more inclined to think that Epic went back to Apple hat-in-hand and begged to be let back in, probably promising to muzzle Sweeney.

>It's unlikely that "regulators" had anything to do with it, given the quick resolution.

Disagree. EU regulators act quickly. Here's the commissioner for Internal Market of the Eu: "I take note with satisfaction that following our contacts Apple decided to backtrack its decision on Epic exclusion. From Day 2, #DMA is already showing very concrete results!" https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1766167580497117464

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Yes, and that's why monopolies must die, in practice desolved by governments. Once you buy a smartphone today you and everybody who wants to do further business with you are at the mercy of a monopolist. For Apple 100%, for Google only 98% because you could side-load. But not a secure and practical solution today.

I don't think monopoly is the right word here.

Right; I think the correct frame is, major operating systems are utilities. They must be regulated the same way that all systemically important utilities are regulated; heavily. Monopolies are natural, and arguably desirable, with utilities; but they need to be subject to extremely strong regulation to maintain the right balance.

The DMA was always phrased from the wrong perspective (which is just classic EU, they literally cannot ever get regulation right). The correct phrasing is: once a computer operating system achieves a certain level of market adoption (say, 50M+ active installations), it is designated as a systemically critical operating system. Among other regulations, one thing systemically critical operating systems must allow is the independent and unrestricted installation and execution of applications from the internet.

Regulating the market (App Store) itself is just dumb. Apple should not be forced to have Epic Games as a customer. It destroys trust in the App Store's review process, and legitimately does from my perspective infringe on Apple's rights as a business to do business with partners as they please. There's a gulf of difference between "forcing the App Store to distribute some application" and "allowing that application to be freely distributed on the internet". Regulation should be specifically targeted toward the second situation; and leave the App Store alone.

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Students are tipping teachers now? Tipping culture really has gone off the rails.

Can someone please explain how this isn't bribery in disguise? I'd have graduated with honors if my teachers accepted tips

If you tip enough they even put your name on one of the buildings.

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Tim Cook managed to be cool calm and diplomatic when dealing with Trump and his trade war with China. Why is Tim Cook suddenly acting irrational and child-like when dealing with EU? This behaviour we're seeing from Apple recently is happening in front on investors and everyone else's eyes because Tim Cook is personally green-lighting this behaviour. What's going on inside Apple? Is it because none of their hardware i…

Aside from their spectacular laptops with arm, they seem like they are being left behind. Vision Pro is probably a gimmick along with the whole VR world right now, which will change soon too but overall I don't see anything exciting about apple. Their pricing is infuriating and so are their decisions (laptop 8gb ram in 2024???) To me it looks like they got stuck in the "this is what worked for us, so let's only do th…

They missed AI along with everyone else except for OpenAI and MS. But, it's hard to say they're being left behind when they have products that are the defining product of the category. Obviously there's the iPhone, but also AirPods, iPad, and Apple Watch.

And the ARM changeover in the laptops has been so seamless, people seem to ignore the huge risks with switching architectures. And now everyone is chasing them for the same power/battery life.

They've had some missteps, but we need a few more years to really know if they have been left behind. Apple was never one to be first to do something.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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What a bunch of clowns! Seriously, Apple? Are they so full of hubris that they could not see how their haste would backfire?

Given the compensation level of their legal team I’d expect that they could see it coming and spare the public humiliation and brand damage.

I can’t believe this is real.

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What was the deal with PWAs?

EU rules say Apple can't prioritize their own browser. PWAs only work with WebKit due to the iOS security model, and the amount of work necessary to try to support PWAs with third-party browser engines securely was way out of scope for the time frame to support the DMA. Because Apple can't prioritize their own browser, they had to remove PWA support entirely in the EU. Naturally there was a lot of backlash, and so Ap…

I don't really see it as prioritising your own browser.

It's a system level feature and uses the system provided web engine.

Microsoft doesn't let you swap out EdgeHTML or Trident for applications that use the native OS web frame.

But apps shouldn't be forced to use that web frame is the issue the commission had and the DMA attempts to resolve.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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What a bunch of clowns! Seriously, Apple? Are they so full of hubris that they could not see how their haste would backfire? Given the compensation level of their legal team I’d expect that they could see it coming and spare the public humiliation and brand damage. I can’t believe this is real.

Maybe they've finally realized that the $38 billion fine for failing to comply was in fact not a joke.

The stock dumped 10% almost immediately after the announcement, might also have something to do with it.

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