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U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by hirvi74 »

TrueSlacker0 wrote: post #253

Ah, I remember this test fondly. Mostly because I "cheated" my way to a much better score than I "earned" on my presat. I remember walking into the classroom to take the test and I recognized a student who ranked in the top of the class. So I sat down next to them. We didnt know each other. We were both taking the test and through "random" peripheral vision I noticed that none of our answers were lining up. So I cont…

If you are smart enough to cheat and not get caught, then I think the test results accurately determined your intelligence. At least the type of intelligence one needs to make it in a world ran by liars, crooks, and thieves.

You earned your score in my book.

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Post by BlueFalconHD »

tssva wrote: post #252
thsksbd wrote: post #249

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Wow, I didnt know states did that. In my state the motorcycle licensing works similarly in that you can skip the state test, however unlike what you described for cars, the course is excellent (standard MSF course). Also, the MSF does administer a (pretty tough) test.

It has devolved into a pay for play scheme. I cut a check for a few hundred dollars and you stamp the form saying my kid can drive. You can also take the on the road driving course through your public school at no cost but the wait for that can be extremely long. Most people in my area just pay. A parent does also have to sign the form stating the kid has completed a certain number of hours driving under a certain mi…

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Post by Manuel_D »

germinalphrase wrote: post #202
Manuel_D wrote: post #191

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How do you do that data collection, though? And more importantly, how do you effectively compare across different schools and districts? Some high school give out As in math to students that can't do basic algebra.

Analyzing curriculum contents and local instruction transcription. Ranking and benchmarking between educational environments would require an additional psychometric evaluation layer. This would not a Day One function, so the tool would focus on maximizing utility as an assessment assistant tool for instructors. There is a bridge to be built between formative and summative assessment. If this thing doesn't make them…

At that point you're just describing another form of standardized testing. The whole point of a test like the SAT is to administer the same test so that results are comparable.

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Post by BlueFalconHD »

johntiger1 wrote: post #233
bombcar wrote: post #151

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They want to see your face and will disqualify you if you glance away from the monitor too often.

That sounds terrible; I often look away to the side when I am thinking..

I often stare into space (some have said it looks like a thousand-yard stare), I wonder if that would be an issue?

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Post by listenallyall »

anigbrowl wrote: post #270
listenallyall wrote: post #192

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That's like suggesting you trash a hotel room because of some grievance with corporate policy. What actually happens is some innocent housekeeper gets stuck cleaning up the mess you made. The local test proctors are tasked with following very strict procedures and not given any room for discretion, especially if the testee isn't voluntarily withdrawing. It has nothing to do with an individual lack of empathy.

No it isn't, nothing is being trashed. The proctors should be better trained instead of required to behave like unsympathetic robots.

The fact that the proctor refused to break protocol while the test was in-session demonstrates proper training.

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Post by cornel_io »

philsnow wrote: post #42
icyfox wrote: post #11

When I took the GRE in 2017, everything was digital as well. But I couldn't believe how locked down the experience was. The testing center in downtown SF had no windows, a metal detector, and you had to check all food outside of the testing room. Just in case you were going to try to cheat off of your banana. I think each computer was also recording a video of you taking the test although I might be mistaken here. Ce…

My experience was nearly identical taking the GRE in 2003.

Yes, the GRE has been way ahead of the curve for a long time because it's an adaptive test: it actually adjusts the difficulty of the questions it presents you based on your performance up until that point in the test, as it tries to hone in in exactly what your correct score should be.

I don't know if the algorithm has changed since the early aughts, and I don't know if that approach is better or worse than the one-size-fits-all non-adaptive SAT, but the difference was always striking to me. You'd think that if the GRE adaptive approach was better statistically (by whatever measure) they'd move towards it soon for the SAT as well since they're going full digital finally.

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Post by RheingoldRiver »

burnished wrote: post #160
gnicholas wrote: post #32

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My kid is doing prealgebra now online (AoPS). When she's on an iPad Pro, she uses the Apple Pencil in the Notes app, side-by-side with the AoPS window. When she's on a non-Pro iPad she uses pencil and paper. I assume kids will use scratch paper with the SAT, along with calculators. > Are they learning math typesetting at a young age? My kid loves doing LateX on AoPS, for some reason. I guess it will be useful if she'…

Due to wrist injuries I used to type and turn in printed copies of my homework for a variety of math heavy engineering classes. It was quite nice once I got used to it especially because it reduced the friction of fixing a mistake and reduced the cost of including connecting or explanatory prose statements. It really improved the quality of my written work (especially the diagrams and the greek letters). Anyway, I ju…

It was pretty common at my uni to TeX math & physics problem sets, I had phases of doing both depending on my mood. I usually felt that the one I wasn't currently accustomed to made me more careful, so as TeX-ing became too easy I'd handwrite, as my handwriting deteriorated I'd go back to TeX.

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Post by torstenvl »

bobthepanda wrote: post #247
nkrisc wrote: post #226

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I’m sure it very much depends on locality, but I watched an elderly person backup over some cones and then drive out ahead of me with their new license. The road test also consisted of essentially going around the block a few times. I was 18 so there were no prerequisites. If you took the test and the evaluator gave you a pass, you got your license. Explains all the collisions I pass on the way to dropping the kids o…

There is also no testing or vision rechecking requirement, so there are just a lot of people on the roads who should probably have their license taken away.

I'm curious as to the states involved.

Michigan takes car culture seriously. You have to parallel park on the drivers test, and the Secretary of State offices (there is no DMV, because what a waste of taxpayer funds...) have eye charts when you renew your license.

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Post by aaomidi »

germinalphrase wrote: post #262
aaomidi wrote: post #229

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Please think about the ethics of what you’re about to unleash into the world.

Can you be more specific? What is your ethical concern?

From what I’m reading, this is an unprecedented level of surveillance on students.

We’re already in a mental health crisis for students. I do not think adding more surveillance is going to do good there.

I may be wrong, but I hope the founders have thought a lot about this and considered what negative impacts, if any, this will have of students.

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Post by [deleted] »

tssva wrote: post #252
thsksbd wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I didnt know states did that. In my state the motorcycle licensing works similarly in that you can skip the state test, however unlike what you described for cars, the course is excellent (standard MSF course). Also, the MSF does administer a (pretty tough) test.

It has devolved into a pay for play scheme. I cut a check for a few hundred dollars and you stamp the form saying my kid can drive. You can also take the on the road driving course through your public school at no cost but the wait for that can be extremely long. Most people in my area just pay. A parent does also have to sign the form stating the kid has completed a certain number of hours driving under a certain mi…

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