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Yeah, I forgot Zionism started last October. Thanks for the reminder
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> An elevated civilian death count, including journalists is to be expected. Is it???
Yes? Use your basic reasoning. Hamas fights in civilian clothing, they hide in civilian buildings, they hide in hospitals. They use regular civilians as shields. This is not your average fight; Hamas hates their enemy more than they love their own country.
If you can't tell innocent people from legit targets... rethink the approach?
Here is my reasoning: they hide in civilian clothes, okay let's not shoot civilians. They hide in hospitals, okay let's not bomb hospitals. They use civilian buildings, okay let's not bomb civilian buildings.
They use civilians as shields... let's not shoot the shields.
How is that unreasonable?
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The sheer amount of times that Israel's [1] lies [2] have been exposed [3] again and again [4], in the current conflict and from before, leads to the only conclusion that IOF's claims that benefit their narrative must be assumed false until proven true by independent investigation. Their own investigations frequently prove their own initial claims are false. Moreover, "murky definition of a journalist" is a weasel wo…
Do you have a refutation of the specific claim regarding Al Jazeera journalists doubling as Hamas agents?
I generally think that militaries and governments in international relations, and especially regarding warfare, are not trustworthy; they will lie if it helps them. Israel in particular focuses on information for the Western public (which I'm sure they would agree to; they even have a word for it, and especially in this war (they are well-organized and there is plenty of recent journalism about it). I don't think Israeli - or Hamas - claims are credible on their own.
Is there some other basis for this claim?
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So you claim they also made up all the photos of that journalist training on an ATGM? https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1756728159158812921
What about journalists from before, even completely outside Gaza, like Shireen Abu Akleh, the American-palestinian journalist who was sniped while reporting?
There seems to be a long history of Israel targeting journalists exclusively and even their funerals
https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/not-just-shi...
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Are there any other examples from history where the goal of combatants was (or at least appeared to be) to maximize the destruction of their own side? If so, what were the outcomes of these?
> Are there any other examples from history where the goal of combatants was (or at least appeared to be) to maximize the destruction of their own side? Every false flag operation designed to rally support for a conflict.
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Again, words have meanings even if you don't like them. There is nothing indiscriminate about Israel's actions, which somehow have not been able to match Hamas's one day total of slaughtered and raped civilians. War is awful and I hope that Hamas surrenders soon to end it.
"which somehow have not been able to match Hamas's one day total of slaughtered and raped civilians" — what do you mean by this? Over 1,000 civilians were killed by Hamas, whereas around 30,000 people (including many innocents) have been killed in Gaza — almost two orders of magnitude more. As you say, words have meanings.
You can use buzzwords to try and distort reality but this is clearly a highly targeted military campaign where Hamas is sacrificing it's own civilians as human shields. That sucks and Hamas should surrender, but Israel should do what it needs to defeat Hamas.
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The ICJ did say that South Africa's accusation of genocide was plausible, which is also the reason they decided to proceed with the case. This is what a professor of international law has to say about the case: https://www.ejiltalk.org/speaking-the-law-plausibly-the-inte... And if over 30,000 dead Palestinians so far isn't enough for you, the intent is the central issue of genocide, though the Palestinian casualties…
It did not. Find me that language in the ruling. Some media said that, but not the ICJ. If the ICJ thought this was really plausible they would have ordered Israel to stop. They did not. 30,000 dead is way too much for me. Not for the Hamas apparently? For Israel going after all 40,000 Hamas combatants, is probably legitimate, as long as Hamas keeps fighting. I would so much prefer that all of the Israelis that have…
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And for comparison 715 were killed in Syria. "Of the 715, the Syrian regime was responsible for the killing of 553 journalists, including five children, one woman, five foreign journalists, and 47 journalists who died due to torture, while 24 journalists were killed at the hands of Russian forces." https://snhr.org/blog/2023/05/03/on-world-press-freedom-day-...
Five children journalists?
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"which somehow have not been able to match Hamas's one day total of slaughtered and raped civilians" — what do you mean by this? Over 1,000 civilians were killed by Hamas, whereas around 30,000 people (including many innocents) have been killed in Gaza — almost two orders of magnitude more. As you say, words have meanings.
Israel, which you claim is indiscriminately bombing civilians, has not been able to match Hamas in killing 1,200 civilians in a single day of this war despite dropping thousands of bombs. You can use buzzwords to try and distort reality but this is clearly a highly targeted military campaign where Hamas is sacrificing it's own civilians as human shields. That sucks and Hamas should surrender, but Israel should do wha…