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I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by ta1243 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #234
fragmede wrote: post #122

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how do you want to do work without tools?

Well tools that actually help me to do my job, yes. But Jira doesn't. It's just an impediment. The same with 'agile' that's just forced on us not because it is a great idea but because our idiot CIO loves her buzzwords. It's not even implemented right. Ps I don't do any development work. The problem is they're trying to shoehorn a methodology that doesn't work for us. I'm not even part of a team that do the same as w…

Where do you track what plates you're spinning? When you look at some function and you go "what does that feature supposed to do", where do you look up the history? Just in git comments on the file?

Do you simply not track or communicate at all? Do you store it all in a personal notebook? Do you store everything in emails? Files in dropbox? Or do you rely on memorising everything you do, why you do it, when you do it, for who, etc?

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by fuzzy2 »

wwilim wrote: post #58
fuzzy2 wrote: post #25

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Where would it need to be not to die? Also, what kind of documentation? Technical? Or business?

In the repo with the code, linked to from a sensible wiki that serves only as an index

Okay, but again, which documentation is that? Technical or business?

Because I do not see business documentation evolving with code. And depending on what the code does, business documentation could be much more important than technical documentation.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by mmcnl »

psunavy03 wrote: post #206
zac23or wrote: post #176

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“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…

> The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. There's an unfortunate tendency for some people to scoff at the immutable fact that to write software, you have to talk to other human beings. And that if a company is paying you good money to do it, they are going to want to know when it will be done and what ROI they are getting on your salary. Sure, there are…

Exactly. Also developers often say they want less meetings so they can do more work, or something akin to that. But meetings _are_ work. And where I've worked there was always room to present feedback is a meeting felt unnecessary.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by mmcnl »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #239
psunavy03 wrote: post #206

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> The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. There's an unfortunate tendency for some people to scoff at the immutable fact that to write software, you have to talk to other human beings. And that if a company is paying you good money to do it, they are going to want to know when it will be done and what ROI they are getting on your salary. Sure, there are…

It’s why I just can’t take some dev communities seriously. Too many immature / inexperienced people will talk eachother into thinking that their “I should just be able to sit here and code!” mentality is justified or even viable. Who the hell else gets to work like that? The utter hubris.

Yeah it's very entitled. Like only software developers do actual meaningful complex work and everyone else just sits in meetings and does nothing.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by psunavy03 »

zac23or wrote: post #265
psunavy03 wrote: post #206

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> The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. There's an unfortunate tendency for some people to scoff at the immutable fact that to write software, you have to talk to other human beings. And that if a company is paying you good money to do it, they are going to want to know when it will be done and what ROI they are getting on your salary. Sure, there are…

> But to lump "meetings" and "metrics" into a "hated" category is the mark of an immature dev To me, these things are normal occurrences in organizational theater. I ignore that. But after sitting in a few 12-hour meetings, participating in some metrics-based programming (MBP) and filling out 100 fields in a deployment request tool, I UNDERSTAND if someone hates this kind of thing, is not only 'immaturity'. And I'm n…

Understanding that stupid/pointless/badly run meetings and toxic cultures exist is not the same thing as immaturely assuming all meetings are automatically time-wasters or that all corporate cultures must be toxic.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by wkat4242 »

ta1243 wrote: post #271
wkat4242 wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well tools that actually help me to do my job, yes. But Jira doesn't. It's just an impediment. The same with 'agile' that's just forced on us not because it is a great idea but because our idiot CIO loves her buzzwords. It's not even implemented right. Ps I don't do any development work. The problem is they're trying to shoehorn a methodology that doesn't work for us. I'm not even part of a team that do the same as w…

Where do you track what plates you're spinning? When you look at some function and you go "what does that feature supposed to do", where do you look up the history? Just in git comments on the file? Do you simply not track or communicate at all? Do you store it all in a personal notebook? Do you store everything in emails? Files in dropbox? Or do you rely on memorising everything you do, why you do it, when you do it…

> Where do you track what plates you're spinning? When you look at some function and you go "what does that feature supposed to do", where do you look up the history? Just in git comments on the file?

Like I said I'm not a developer at all. I don't use git for work. Nor do I collaborate on my tasks with other people. My brain is enough to keep track of things. Yet the company wants everyone to be "agile" regardless of the role.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by Izkata »

bitcharmer wrote: post #258
zac23or wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…

> My feeling is... developers hate Jira I'm a developer and I like Jira. People who hate it are probably forced to use some bloated setups. We just use Kanban and the backlog and that's it. It's great if you don't turn it into a fully blow project management tool.

Exactly this. After layoffs and a small restructuring last year, we created a new project for our team in Jira and didn't include anything that had been added by upper management in the previous project, used a simplified workflow, and further changes are talked about by the team at retro. Went from a pain to easy to use.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by prepend »

magicmicah85 wrote: post #105
prepend wrote: post #86

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I can’t get a modal popup when someone messages me directly on teams. I have to check the list of chats for if someone has messaged me. That’s stupid and a flaw in teams. It’s a bad messaging app. It’s pretty good with meetings though.

Are you on Mac by chance? I use notifications to gather all my pop ups as I’ve never been able to get the modals to work.

Yes. I run on a Mac 99% of the time and it’s frustrating because pretty much every day people message me and they just sit there.

The best work around I’ve found is to have my phone nearby and use it for notifications.

Seems pretty silly for a messaging app to work so poorly.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by snapplebobapple »

I didn't think jira was that bad. I did think the access control/authentication that it atlassian puts on top of it is total dogshit though. one unrelated part of our org got their instance setup with saml integration to our azure tenant and it locked us out of our unrelated instance (signed up for with our work emails) for a month while 30+ interactions with their support team got us nowhere.
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