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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Microsoft only managed to sell 140k Xbox Ones in Japan. Just throwing a comparison.

So xbox one was a small niche in Japan.

No, you're still missing it.

500K is a _lot_.

Runaway success unless you're: A) Apple B) Samsung

The 350K product I'm referring to defined a whole category for years and is universally well-known in tech.

To be 100% clear, next time you see "500K sold", your decision tree is:

Is it Apple? If yes, can be disagreeable whether it is well-known / successful.

Is it Samsung? If yes, can be disagreeable about whether it is well-known / successful.

Still here? It's well-known and successful, you'll look silly if you choose to be disagreeable.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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In reality, those with significant wealth and power end up shaping policy. This can lead to public disengagement, as many feel the system is not truly representing their interests.

> those with significant wealth [...] end up shaping policy. Yes, of course. Those with wealth hire people, often referred to as lobbyists, to put in the hard work. Technically, representative democracy requires everyone to be, or have, their own lobbyist, but in practice that's a lot of work that most people don't want to put in. They prefer to defer to a figurehead. It's easier that way. And, as such, give up power…

Considering how many people have to work multiple jobs wherein they're mistreated and given no leeway to even do stuff like take work off when sick or see a doctor regularly, I think the reason they aren't participating in the democratic process has more to do with how much time and energy they have to spare on what we've made a pretty arcane and onerous process that ultimately seems to mostly decide influence based primarily on wealth than a lack of interest in bettering their situation

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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In the grand scheme, these are remarkably unsophisticated devices. It's almost a meme in RF circles to excitedly buy one and then immediately realize it's just a Girl Tech IM-me with NFC. If you want to do real damage there are portable SDRs that can jam GPS and transmit just about any arbitrary radio signal from DC to 6GHz for less than $500. This is a mildly powerful toy that has a large, intelligent and curious co…

Those devices are already banned in most countries. You can't import / use devices that have jamming capabilities.

Would a capable SDR not require specific software to jam? I believe SDRs are still commonly available internationally.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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I've been curious as a Brit living thought the mess that was the brexit vote and implementation, how the Swiss would have dealt with such a matter? I'm told they have better systems and wouldn't have done it like we did but I'm not sure quite how.

We have voted in Schengen membership in 2008, but opted out of many association agreements with EU. We have a referendum like every 4 months, so all of this is not a big deal, things like these are routinely decided with a direct all-nation vote.

Ah - the every 4 months kind of thing might have helped rather than our every 30 years or something like that.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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In reality, those with significant wealth and power end up shaping policy. This can lead to public disengagement, as many feel the system is not truly representing their interests.

> those with significant wealth [...] end up shaping policy. Yes, of course. Those with wealth hire people, often referred to as lobbyists, to put in the hard work. Technically, representative democracy requires everyone to be, or have, their own lobbyist, but in practice that's a lot of work that most people don't want to put in. They prefer to defer to a figurehead. It's easier that way. And, as such, give up power…

And maybe there's a nonprofit business model for lobbyist groups to represent people? It takes a lot of people to pool together the funds that a single wealthy individual can muster, but those funds represent potentially quite a few votes.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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This comment is basically "I see UK, I downvote". Zero relevance to the point that was being made, just wanted to say "US > UK".

GP comment was basically just, "The UK would do it." Zero relevance to the point being made besides "what UK does = good idea". So I responded in kind by registering my opinion that "what UK does = bad idea".

The GP said that carrying them should be banned, and provided an example of how carrying lockpicks is banned in the UK.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Chrystia Freeland PM, Mark Carney Deputy PM is a dream team for me. My sister dated Justin for a couple of years at McGill, imo he's a genuinely good guy, but I can't say I'd consider him a good leader.

I'm really really sorry but good people don't wear blackface costumes at the age of 29 years old. They also don't assault women and apologize for being so forward because if they knew the victim was a reporter they wouldn't have assaulted them. I have no idea how anyone can have a favourable opinion of Justin Trudeau. He's repeatedly been caught in racist or misogynistic behavior and it blows my mind the number of pe…

You don't need to be sorry, you're right. And you're right, I should change my mind, so I will. tbh he was even a bit weird when he dated my sister(so my mother says), but he was very kind to me, so I guess I liked him (my sister is 10 years my senior). Because he was sweet to me when I was young should not be the reason I like him, objectively... he's quite the wanker indeed.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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In the grand scheme, these are remarkably unsophisticated devices. It's almost a meme in RF circles to excitedly buy one and then immediately realize it's just a Girl Tech IM-me with NFC. If you want to do real damage there are portable SDRs that can jam GPS and transmit just about any arbitrary radio signal from DC to 6GHz for less than $500. This is a mildly powerful toy that has a large, intelligent and curious co…

I would be interested in that community. I'm sure I'm not the only one here.

If you're interested in the Flipper community, the 3rd party Xtreme firmware has a very active discord: https://flipper-xtre.me/

The Xtreme firmware appeared to be one of the easy ways to get the 'BLE Spam' app which could crash the latest iOS devices until Apple patched it in December.

And that story really echoes the parent's point about Flipper users being a 'gift of minimally destructive pentesters' (love that quote). The Flipper community effectively notified/pressured Apple into fixing an issue that might have been used more nefariously. (Some really malicious folks could have used the ability to crash iOS devices to DoS/shutdown peoples phones at some critical moment as part of a scheme or theft)

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