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Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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> The US/CIA has a long history of inciting coups, rigging elections, and funding far right terror organizations across Latin America for matters similar or lesser than this [1]. More recently we've been supporting leftist elected candidates against right-wing coups. We don't care Bolivia has lithium. We get lithium from Australia. Third worldist leftists have many dumb ideas, but among them is the idea that wars are…

Which left wing governments has the US defended against right wing coups?

Brazil and Guatemala in 2023.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/12/bernardo-are...

And Guyana against invasion by Venezuela.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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The confusion comes from wrong vocabulary. There are two different words in use: resources and reserves. Resources is what ever there is in (or in some cases on) the ground. Reserves is what can be viably extracted. World lithium resources are close to 100M tons, but usable part, reserves, is about 1/4 of it. Notice how it is also stated in the article: “We are trying to find out how much can we use from the resource…

Why only 100M? Shouldn't Lithium be absurdly abundant, given it's a lightweight element?

The around 100M tons is what we know to exits and we know where it exits. As you can see, more is getting located as we move on.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Yikes, looks like EVs are gonna be resource-constrained real soon unless new battery tech emerges.

More lithium deposits will be found now that it is more desirable. The earth has plenty.

And if we run out, we can finally make Teslas useful by recycling them!

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This is my wheelhouse (mining engineer) and sorry to say this is bunk from what i can see. Its not 15M Tonnes of Lithium. Its 15M Tonnes of lithium containing ore, with an average grade of 0.4% (which i also question without seening core results). Also terms such as "resource" and "reserve" have very specific meaning in mining (to do with economic viability of deposity/ level of confidence) and this is by no way a "r…

so like 6 million KG of lithium. or enough lithium for 750,000 EV cars

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Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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This is my wheelhouse (mining engineer) and sorry to say this is bunk from what i can see. Its not 15M Tonnes of Lithium. Its 15M Tonnes of lithium containing ore, with an average grade of 0.4% (which i also question without seening core results). Also terms such as "resource" and "reserve" have very specific meaning in mining (to do with economic viability of deposity/ level of confidence) and this is by no way a "r…

The real info is always in the comments.

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Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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I hear people complain about this, but they never place it in context with the damage from, say, iron or copper mining. I've done lots of web searches, read lots of articles, and there's never definitive measures of harm or comparisons to what current mining does. In a standard f150, how much damage is done from mining? How much damage comes from oil extraction compared to the one-time cost to extract lithium?

Oh for sure, I have no idea how similar comparisons would shake out. I can say, though, that such comparisons pretty easily lead to tragedy of the commons problems. If we want to decrease our impact on the environment we need to stop using so much energy and so many resources, period. Chasing the next miracle cure, in this case lithium batteries for energy storage, we can easily run down that path picking up all the…

> If we want to decrease our impact on the environment we need to stop using so much energy and so many resources, period.

That is fundamentally false. Energy austerity is the road to poverty and more environmental damage. Not to mention war.

> Chasing the next miracle cure

Nobody is claiming any miracles.

> we can easily run down that path picking up all the ecological damage of lithium mining and new manufacturing only to find that there are new problems and we're not much better off, we simply have different problems and a similar level if environmental damage as if had we stayed on the original path.

Sure, but we can also do basic research on the subject. Then make reasonable choices about that. And that's what happened.

Lithium mining is not nearly the problem some of the propaganda suggest. At worsts its like other mining. Mostly its better. The total lithium amount needed is tiny even if you think all cars are going to be lithium batteries.

Lithium mining is a drop in the bucked compared to iron and friends.

> I also hope we don't stick to a consistent growth of 2-3% in annual energy consumption, its no coincidence that number matches GDP targets and its unsustainable.

Its not unsustainable actually.

What you are really arguing actually is 'why should people in India and China be rich, it would be much better if they were poor'.

Are you gone determine what is 'rich enough' and when people should stop? Is Europe to rich already?

Are you gone tell poor Americans 'sorry, you can't use more energy'.

Energy poverty isn't the solution to anything.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Nah, it was actual stupidity. The same wind turbine in the scotland produces 3 to five times more power than in Germany The same solar panel produces 3 times more power in Spanish winter than in German winter. This is basic information available to anyone https://globalwindatlas.info/ https://globalsolaratlas.info/ But fine, you decided to do energy transition inefficiently. At least don’t switch of nuclear while you…

Yes. I agree. That is better way to put it. Sure, switch to wind/solar. But at least mothball nuclear so they could be ramped back up (i'm not sure if that is possible with nuclear like with other power plants). But yes, have a better fall back position.

Or you know. Invest your money smartly, don't actually mothball nuclear, simply build more. And then you save a huge amount of money and you have reliable energy. Crazy how that would work.

Simply take the price of a typical modern 1.5GW electric reactor from somebody like South Korea. Calculate how many you need in Germany, add up the cost. And that's not even taking into account the cost savings you could get from building a large number of the same plants.

You end up with a number significantly less then what Germany has spend over the last 25 years, will spend the next 20 and has spent on energy subsidies because of their high electricity prices.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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I hear people complain about this, but they never place it in context with the damage from, say, iron or copper mining. I've done lots of web searches, read lots of articles, and there's never definitive measures of harm or comparisons to what current mining does. In a standard f150, how much damage is done from mining? How much damage comes from oil extraction compared to the one-time cost to extract lithium?

I got a but ranty there. To get back on topic, lithium isn't a one-time cost. Batteries wear out and have to be replaced. If we assume the batteries would outlive the average vehicle, we're committing to vehicles having an expected life of say 10 years. Meaning every 10 years it has to be destroyed, recycled, and replaced. I have a 1988 pickup that still runs great. I don't drive it regularly as my hybrid is much bet…

Man, so many things wrong here. First of all, many batteries run for longer then 10 years. It depends on many things but most of them will last far longer then 10 years. The most common LFP battery will last far, far longer.

Second, end of life means 80% capacity. But in reality that doesn't mean you have to stop using them. You can continue to use it just fine for much longer then that. And even after that most car batteries find other uses as well.

If there really is no use anymore, it can be recycled. Just as we do with metal and other materials in cars.

Also, car engines didn't start so reliable, your 1988 pickup is 80+ years after cars were invented. We already have batteries that will survived for much longer and in 80 years it will be far, far longer then now.

Yes, old cars are better then new cars. But new electric cars are better then new gas cars. And you are not gone get people to not buy new cars (threw that should be done as well).

Yes. Electric F-150 are dumb. That's because pickup trucks are dumb not because batteries are dumb.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Deposits appear sufficiently distributed to not cause geopolitical conflicts [1]. This is not oil. Lithium is relatively abundant, and a mineral to be reused, not energy to be consumed once through. To keep it conflict free, we must continue to discover reserves and drive down the value of the commodity. No one goes to war over say, salt, in the 21st century (at least not yet!). [1] https://lithiumfuture.org/map.html

It won't cause conflict because China will just come in and take it. Look at what they've done with the silkroads through Laos/Cambodia. "Here, take a 'free' hydrodam on your river and we will just take some land and electricity."

> It won't cause conflict because China will just come in and take it...

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> "Here, take a 'free' hydrodam on your river and we will just take some land and electricity."

So which is it? They will 'take it' or they will trade for it?

That's the problem with anti-chinese propaganda. It makes no sense and is full of contradictions.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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It won't cause conflict because China will just come in and take it. Look at what they've done with the silkroads through Laos/Cambodia. "Here, take a 'free' hydrodam on your river and we will just take some land and electricity."

> It won't cause conflict because China will just come in and take it... vs > "Here, take a 'free' hydrodam on your river and we will just take some land and electricity." So which is it? They will 'take it' or they will trade for it? That's the problem with anti-chinese propaganda. It makes no sense and is full of contradictions.

What they take has been proven to be far greater value than what they gave. It isn't a fair "trade", at all.

To be fair to China, corrupt locals allowed it to happen.

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