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Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by p91paul »

caeril wrote: post #226
BlackjackCF wrote: post #200

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I don’t know how tech sales work so I’m speaking from an uneducated place here - but is 4.5 months enough time to close any sales? I imagine that at least a month of that 4.5 months is spent onboarding and shadowing someone else to see how the company handles sales. I also imagine that any tech sales right now are difficult to close given the shrinking customer base due to the number of startups that are folding. And…

For Cloudflare specifically, it makes sense. Why they even have a sales team is beyond me. Everything we need is available by dashboard and API. When we need to add a zone, or upgrade a zone, or buy more load balancers, or upgrade TLS on a zone, or literally anything that could be counted as a new "sale", we can do it ourselves. We ignore their "we noticed you may benefit from Enterprise, call us today!" spam, we nev…

> We ignore their "we noticed you may benefit from Enterprise, call us today!" spam

Of course if you ignore their offers to talk with the sales team, you won't talk to them. Bigger companies than yours will be interested in their enterprise package and/or will want to negotiate volume discounts.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by caeril »

valval wrote: post #268
caeril wrote: post #226

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For Cloudflare specifically, it makes sense. Why they even have a sales team is beyond me. Everything we need is available by dashboard and API. When we need to add a zone, or upgrade a zone, or buy more load balancers, or upgrade TLS on a zone, or literally anything that could be counted as a new "sale", we can do it ourselves. We ignore their "we noticed you may benefit from Enterprise, call us today!" spam, we nev…

It’s fairly obvious you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to sales or business. Maybe offer your opinion with a bit less confidence.

I'm running a reasonably successful business just fine, thank you.

But salespeople are useless intermediaries when everything you need to do is supplied perfectly fine by the platform's dashboard or API. "Call for pricing" is an antipattern, "Call to negotiate our Enterprise tier" is an antipattern.

> Maybe offer your opinion with a bit less confidence

I'll offer this opinion with 100% confidence: Sales is a make-work program for people whose only skill in life is running their mouth.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by asadotzler »

the_optimist wrote: post #179
asadotzler wrote: post #78

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The Fed doesn't compel, greed compels and the Fed just gives the greedy the signposts they want.

To the contrary, setting an employment target and maintaining high interest rates if that target is exceeded is prima facie evidence of coercion.

That's just silly.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by allarm »

baumy wrote: post #183
aestetix wrote: post #169

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A few things. First, if they are doing layoffs, shouldn't they expect people to be pissed off, and be prepared to handle that? I don't think the call was heated at all, but maybe it's a cultural difference. It could be that American corporate drones in general are less tolerant of conflict. Second, why not include someone she knew on the call, instead of two people she had never met before? It's a total power move. I…

First - Cultural differences are almost certainly at play here if you're not American. My only exposure to non-American workplace culture is a single German friend, and familiarity with how Linus Torvalds operates. Suffice it to say, cutting across someone to say "bullshit" would be considered "heated" in most American tech workplaces, no matter how calm your tone of voice and body language is. I'm struggling to find…

> cutting across someone to say "bullshit" would be considered "heated" in most American tech workplaces

Oh, you poor things.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by satisfice »

cstrahan wrote: post #266
satisfice wrote: post #256

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So what? Grow up. It doesn’t matter if they were “copping out.” Although I didn’t hear them doing that. It just doesn’t matter. Arguing with HR gets you nowhere. It’s self-destructive drama for likes.

Where was she “arguing”? Did you misread her interaction as her trying to maintain her employment there? If you genuinely believed that you were being let go for something that was completely fabricated, would you not confront them? Is there ever an appropriate time to speak up? For instance, if they also attributed the fruits of your labor to someone else, and then compared you to that other person to justify your t…

Yes, I would remain silent. "Backbone" in that situation means either collecting data for a possible lawsuit or else having the spine to know when you aren't wanted. Now, this video just makes her employment prospects bleaker.

There is no possible good that can come of complaining to a chair on which you have just stubbed your toe.

Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires

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Post by the_optimist »

asadotzler wrote: post #273
the_optimist wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the contrary, setting an employment target and maintaining high interest rates if that target is exceeded is prima facie evidence of coercion.

That's just silly.

Explain why you think this. How did you think the world worked before central banking? Do you think a pack of business people grouped around a table and agreed to fire people until inflation declined?
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