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He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Not surprising that it will go badly. Most of us have some secrets to hide, so the individuals that make up society have an incentive to exclude such people from their lives. I couldn’t trust a whistleblower. While grateful for a lot of the work they do, I never want to be their target and would never risk getting close to them.

And I couldn't trust someone who couldn't trust a whistleblower. Like what the hell did you do that you really don't want others to find out..?

> Like what the hell did you do that you really don't want others to find out..?

It doesn't matter. This still applies even if you haven't done anything yet.

Nobody wants to be friends with the kid who narcs on everyone. Show me the man and I'll show you the crime he's committed. Why subject yourself to that?

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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People love treason but they hate the traitor :-) Forget about whistle-blowing in Europe, it will likely blow up in your face. Best thing is, if you are in a company with unethical behavior, to pack your stuff and leave ASAP and hope that you don't get anything of the fallout.

Can you elaborate?

"Forget about whistle-blowing in Europe, it will likely blow up in your face."

In most European countries, in fact not any that I am aware of, will you get a reward for blowing the whistle. If you do, best case, you don't get any legal problems. Don't expect anyone to hire you in the future. Nobody blew the whistle with the "VW/Audi emissions scandal". They would have gotten a big reward in the US. In the trial the big boss claimed as long that he had nothing to do with it, that it was the sole decision of his engineers, until the court offered him a probation sentence. You blow the whistle? Expect that your boss will claim that it was only your responsibility and he knew nothing about it. Emails on the company server? Expect them to be gone.

"Best thing is, if you are in a company with unethical behavior, to pack your stuff and leave ASAP and hope that you don't get anything of the fallout."

When I was a young engineer in a terrible place, the big boss told me to do something. Disregarding all good practices, risking the health of the employees with this action etc. If I had followed his oral command, it would have been at the same time a reason to be fired on the spot. I could have lived with that, but they could have also claimed millions in damages from the circumstances. There were other issues (IP that I developed). I called in sick for two weeks and then submitted my resignation. Best decision ever. I read about this guy many years later in a major newspaper when he screwed another employee totally off. (Do you read hear H.L.?).

Bottom line: If shit hits the fan, people will lie. They will try to throw you under the bus.

I actually emailed my old boss when I saw the newspaper article, put a link to the article and wrote: "I'm glad to hear that you stayed true to your character." He did not reply.

Yes, he got trouble from the Newspaper article, but they guy he screwed over, he screwed over deeply.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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> Patagonia? Chick-Fil-A? There is certainly a niche catering to the handful of customers who do care, have the money to care, have enough information to care and get the opportunity to show they care by selecting the right vendor. But very often I think the consumer is just unable to care because of lacking money, lacking information or outright deception by the vendors and lacking offers from ethical vendors. And t…

> the market unfortunately favors the non-ethical ones "The market favors" is just an corporate speak for "The customers favor", i.e. in this case "The customers unfortunately favor the non-ethical ones".

Arguably the customer doesn't have clarity on this situation here. Customers vote with their dollars and the reason they vote for these companies is because their products are relatively speaking the cheapest for some particular level of quality.

The resolution should be on the western governments to tax or fine the ever-loving crap out of companies and their products that utilize systems like this. Then the products' end prices will reflect the true cost to the consumer because any ethically-produced product of equivalent quality should be cheaper.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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I don't think we are reading different heart books at all - we are taught that we are but we are pretty much exactly the same when it comes to matters of the heart

[Looks at the DSM-5] No, no we are not.

The dsm is hardly the authority of the heart.

It might be the authority of the pharmaceutical industry with regards to what treatments can be provided more psychiatric conditions.

And even then you have to wonder about their criteria - a doubling of diseases with every edition, all those 'chemical imbalances' and not one physical test!

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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The slavery and working conditions in China no longer really surprises me, what I do struggle to understand is that Western companies apparently DO NOT CARE. I can sort of accept, reluctantly, that the Chinese have a different way to thinking than I do and that I can't necessarily apply my moral code to China. What I cannot accept or understand is that the owners and managers of Western companies, who supposedly shar…

> Western companies apparently DO NOT CARE They do, they hired killers to murder Union leaders in Columbia https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/jul/24/marketingandpr...

*Colombia (Columbia is a clothing company). At least in American spelling.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Western companies which cared, went a bit bankrupt sadly. We have negative selection here.

Patagonia? Chick-Fil-A? I think when you go full B2B, you are destined to be a soulless corporate automaton.

Chick Fil A? Is just another fast food chain, but it has associations with evangelical Christians and funding anti-gay positions.

That's your example of a company with a conscience?

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Patagonia? Chick-Fil-A? I think when you go full B2B, you are destined to be a soulless corporate automaton.

Chick Fil A? Is just another fast food chain, but it has associations with evangelical Christians and funding anti-gay positions. That's your example of a company with a conscience?

Just because the conscience may be aligned in a direction you find morally objectionable doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Of course, a conscience, in and of itself, is only as good as what is aligned to.

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It's not complicated at all. The party of this conflict which is the settler-colonizer would like everyone to believe it's complicated but it's quite simple: A people were ethnically cleansed from the lands they lived on for centuries and those people continue to be oppressed and subjugated till this day, not only denied to return back to the lands they were expelled from, but continue until now to be forcibly expell…

I mean, that kind of demonstrates my point though - your narrative could be applied to whichever side you prefer. "A people were ethnically cleansed from the lands" - From context you are probably referring to the Nakba, but you could just as equally be referring to the Jews being kicked out of Arab countries in the 40's and 50's. Or any number of other events for whichever side you prefer. There's plenty of blood to…

What are the "other number of events"? Please be specific. Regarding what happened in various Arab countries in the 40s and 50s (which by the way is after the nakba so the tit-for-tat theory doesn't hold up) what does this have to do with Palestinians being ethnically cleansed? Are you justifying one for the other? It's no different than saying because of the European Holocaust or European antisemitism, the Palestinians deserve to be ethnically cleansed.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Speaking about pro-palestinian activism in general, not particularly OP, who I don't know: If one is an activist, a group commits atrocities and there's no private business related to them, then one sits and do nothing? The people I see protesting against Israeli invasion of Gaza I failed to see protesting Hamas brutal and inhumane attacks weeks earlier. It seems to me they were silent. I'm having a really hard time…

There's nothing to protest against - the government does not support or aid Hamas, and corporations do not support or aid Hamas. What change would the protests do?

So if it's not possible to boycott an American or Israeli business, there's nothing an activist could do to manifest his support to humanity when innocent people are slaughtered inside their houses by savages?

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Here's the mentioned letter: [PDF] https://chinalaborwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Engli...

This was horrific ! Foxconn acted like a thug with connections to the local politicians and police to bully the whistleblower. I knew there were shady things going on in corporate China, but this was revealing. This would definitely not be as bad in other countries like India where Foxconn is also trying to setup production.

The story is so juicy. Taiwanese exploitation of the common worker just shows you how in bed the Taiwanese and Chinese Elites are, and also why production will never move to India. Apple loves that productivity
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