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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by hinkley »

cowsup wrote: post #192
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

> to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI These lines are for the stakeholders as opposed to consumers. Large backers don't want to invest in a company that has to rush to the market to play catch-up, they want a company that can execute on long-term goals. Re-assuring them that this is a long-term goal is important for $GOOG.

Large backers and stakeholders are not 25 years old.

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Post by SamBam »

milesward wrote: post #136

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

Wow, that is jaw-dropping.

I wish I could see it in real time, without the cuts, though. It made it hard to tell whether it was actually producing those responses in the way that is implied in the video.

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Post by cyclecount »

Google is number 1 at launching also-rans and marketing sites with feature lists that show how their unused products are better than the competition. Someday maybe they’ll learn why nobody uses their shit.

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Post by [deleted] »

norir wrote: post #256

This announcement makes we wonder if we are approaching a plateau in these systems. They are essentially claiming close to parity with gpt-4, not a spectacular new breakthrough. If I had something significantly better in the works, I'd either release it or hold my fire until it was ready. I wouldn't let openai drive my decision making, which is what this looks like from my perspective. Their top line claim is they ar…

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Post by scarmig »

Racing0461 wrote: post #243

How do we know the model wans't pretrained on the evaluations to get higher scores? In general but especially for profit seeking corporations, this measure might become a target and become artificial.

Most engineers and researchers at big tech companies wouldn't intentionally do that. The bigger problem is that public evals leak into the training data. You can try to cleanse your training data, but at some point it's inevitable.

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Post by chongli »

behnamoh wrote: post #245
ilaksh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's for Ultra right? Which is an amazing accomplishment, but it sounds like I won't be able to access it for months. If I'm lucky.

I hate this "tierification" of products into categories: normal, pro, max, ultra Apple does this and it's obvious that they do it to use the "decoy effect" when customers want to shop. Why purchase a measly regular iPhone when you can spend a little more and get the Pro version? But when it comes to AI, this tierification only leads to disappointment—everyone expects the best models from the FAANGO (including OpenAI)…

No, it’s not just to use the “decoy effect.” They do this to share development costs across a whole product line. Low volume, expensive products are subsidized by high volume, mass market devices. Without these tiers, they’d be unable to differentiate the products and so lose the margins of the high end products (and their entire reason for existing).

Unless you expect Apple to just sell the high end devices at a loss? Or do you want the high end chips to be sold in the mass market devices and for Apple to just eat the R&D costs?

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Post by dghughes »

One thing I noticed is I asked Bard "can you make a picture of a black cat?" It says no I can't make images yet. So I asked "can you find one in Google search?" It did not know what I meant by "one" (the subject cat from previous question). Chat GPT4 would have no issue with such context.

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Post by surajrmal »

jodrellblank wrote: post #51

There's some dissonance in the the way this will swamp out searches for the web-alternative Gemini protocol by the biggest tech company in the world proudly boasting how responsible and careful they are being to improving things "for everyone, everywhere in the world".

Gemini as a web protocol isn't even on the top 5 list of things that come up when you think about Gemini prior to this announcement. It would be surprising if anyone involved in naming the Google product even knew about it.

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Post by JoshTko »

Jean-Papoulos wrote: post #12

So it's basically just GPT-4, according to the benchmarks, with a slight edge for multimodal tasks (ie audio, video). Google does seem to be quite far behind, GPT-4 launched almost a year ago.

This is interesting in that it implies that catching up is possible if you have enough data, engineers and compute. This also potentially implies that adjacent players such as Nvidia could gain an edge long term because they are a leader in one of the three.

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Post by gagege »

cyclecount wrote: post #273

Google is number 1 at launching also-rans and marketing sites with feature lists that show how their unused products are better than the competition. Someday maybe they’ll learn why nobody uses their shit.

Microsoft and Google have traded places in this regard.
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