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Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by efitz »

matsemann wrote: post #196
jader201 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don’t get people complaining about important missed calls. Yeah, I may miss these occasionally, but I see them almost immediately if they leave a voicemail — and they should, if it’s important — and then call them back, and apologize for the missed call, which they always empathize with. I lose at most a minute or two, which is totally acceptable.

I think this is cultural. I've never ever left a voice message, and never will. I've also never received one, the few I get are robocallers not understanding no one picked up. If you want me to pick up, send an sms explaining what it's about.

Many of us here grew up in the answering machine era where leaving a message was normal, expected behavior- when phones were not carried on your person.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by Saris »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #253
stetrain wrote: post #247

The best part of all of the number spoofing is now I get real calls from real people who are "calling back" the spam call they received from my number. So I'm getting double-hit by the fact that somehow you're just allowed to place calls from a number you don't own and that's considered a valid part of the phone system still in 2023.

I get that this is for businesses (mostly) so every outward call seems to originate from a single number, but why in the hell can't there be a verification that the number originated from that specific business? Isn't everything digital now? Just do NATing with phone numbers.

Yeah that's what I don't understand. It should be 100% impossible to spoof some random number no matter what, and spoofing a business number should be heavily authenticated to make sure that only the business the owns that phone number can do it.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by InitialLastName »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #260
stetrain wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads are not the same thing as impersonation, lying about who you are and where you are calling from. Cable is not full of ads that say they are from AT&T and you need to contact them about your bill at but the ad isn't from AT&T and the number goes to a scam call center.

Yes, but most scam calls aren't impersonations either. I bet if you tallied it up, there's many more people being tricked into taking on bullshit contracts with legitimate companies[0] and losing much more money in total, than there are victims of actual impersonation scams. I firmly believe both schemes are morally equivalent, and that one of them is still considered legal only means we should push firmly for a chan…

> Yes, but most scam calls aren't impersonations either.

Most of the spam texts I get lately are from non-US numbers claiming to be USPS trying to resolve a delivery exception.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by razakel »

nick__m wrote: post #52
kornhole wrote: post #35

I mainly stopped using phone calls years ago, and I hope more people also do. I ported my main number to voip.ms and created a couple others to use for pseudonymous accounts. The service is cheap at about $1/month per number, but it is a little technical to configure and is sometimes spotty. My phone number has sometimes been unregistered/out of service for long periods which has been a bonus. Nobody who really knows…

I also use voip.ms and the only time they where unreliable was when they were under a DDOS attack. What equipment do you use to bridge the voip to your physical telephone? I suspect that it would be your principal source of unreliability.

It's possible, but not cheap, to have a SIM card that can roam on any cell network on Earth, and present as a SIP client.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by [deleted] »

flerchin wrote: post #126
TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s when I realized we’ll never win. The spammers have won. It's tough, but it's not helpful that people don't know the face of the enemy. The fight isn't with just some stereotypical "spammers". Advertisers and marketing departments are spammers, and they've destroyed phone as a medium, much like they did it to physical mail, radio, broadcast TV, cable TV, and now streaming and the Web in general. We won't make…

Nah. We're talking about spam texts and phone calls. That stuff isn't legal. Yeah what everyone else does is creepy af, and _should be illegal_, but that's not the facts on the ground today.

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Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by kornhole »

nick__m wrote: post #52
kornhole wrote: post #35

I mainly stopped using phone calls years ago, and I hope more people also do. I ported my main number to voip.ms and created a couple others to use for pseudonymous accounts. The service is cheap at about $1/month per number, but it is a little technical to configure and is sometimes spotty. My phone number has sometimes been unregistered/out of service for long periods which has been a bonus. Nobody who really knows…

I also use voip.ms and the only time they where unreliable was when they were under a DDOS attack. What equipment do you use to bridge the voip to your physical telephone? I suspect that it would be your principal source of unreliability.

I have tried various clients on my Graphene phone and am currently using Sipnetic. I have it excluded from VPN through split tunneling, but I still have periods when number just doesn't register. I know there are various settings that can be tried which I have done, but this configuration is a constant source of frustration for many. This is why I recommend jmp.chat with Cheogram client for those looking for a solution that just works. What client or configuration have you found to give you consistent connection with voip.ms?

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by kwhitefoot »

adhesive_wombat wrote: post #115
jupp0r wrote: post #55

It already takes me 45 minutes of my time to get a hold of a support person of my own carrier and I'm a paying customer. I commend the effort, but getting a human to answer a support hotline call in order to report a spammer number is so comically difficult and ineffective that I can't see a significant amount of people participating. Why doesn't my carrier have an automated system allowing them to communicate with t…

In the UK, you just forward the text to "7726" which is SPAM on a keypad. It's a requirement from the regulator. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice...

In Norway it is an offence with penalties per infringing call to cold call anyone who has registered their number with the Brønnøysund registry more than 30 days ago (the equivalent of the Telephone Preference Service).

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by letitbeirie »

efitz wrote: post #271
matsemann wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is cultural. I've never ever left a voice message, and never will. I've also never received one, the few I get are robocallers not understanding no one picked up. If you want me to pick up, send an sms explaining what it's about.

Many of us here grew up in the answering machine era where leaving a message was normal, expected behavior- when phones were not carried on your person.

Ironically back in the answering machine era you could screen your calls as they were coming in, short-circuiting this entire loop.
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