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Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone…

> Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical

So that's why everyone is so reluctant to work on deep-fake software? No, they did it, knowing what problems it could cause, and yet published everything, and now we have fake revenge porn. And we can not even trust tv broadcasts anymore.

So perhaps we do need some other people involved. Not employed by Meta, of course, because their only interest is their stock value.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone…

That’s like saying a sports game doesn’t need a referee because players should follow the rules. At times you perhaps don’t follow them as close because you’re too caught up. So it’s nice to have a party that oversees it.

You usually don’t have a referee in sports. 99% of the time it’s practice or pickup games

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone…

I agree that it's strange, and I think it's sort of a quirk of how AI developed. I think some of the early, loud proponents of AI - especially in Silicon Valley circles - had sort of a weird (IMO) fascination with "existential risk" type questions. What if the AI "escapes" and takes over the world?

I personally don't find that a compelling concern. I grew up devoutly Christian and it has flavors of a "Pascal's Wager" to me.

But anyway, it was enough of a concern to those developing these latest AI's (e.g. it's core to Ilya's DNA at OpenAI), and - if true! - a significant enough risk that it warranted as much mindshare as it got. If AI is truly on the level of biohazards or nuclear weapons, then it makes sense to have a "safety" pillar as equal measure to its technical development.

However, as AI became more commercial and widespread and got away from these early founders, I think the "existential risk" became less of a concern, as more people chalked it up to silly sci-fi thinking. They, instead, became concerned with brand image, and the chatbot being polite and respectful and such.

So I think the "safety" pillar got sort of co-opted by the more mundane - but realistic - concerns. And due to the foundational quirks, safety is in the bones of how we talk about AI. So, currently we're in a state where teams get to enjoy the gravity of "existential risk" but actually work on "politeness and respect". I don't think it will shake out that way much longer.

For my money, Carmack has got the right idea. He wrote off immediately the existential risk concern (based on some napkin math about how much computation would be required, and latencies across datacenters vs GPUs and such), and is plowing ahead on the technical development without the headwinds of a "safety" or even "respect" thought. Sort of a Los Alamos approach - focus on developing the tech, and let the government or someone else (importantly: external!) figure out the policy side of things.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#274

It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone…

Would you just destroy the legal department in every company too since each person should be operating within the law anyway?

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#275

It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone…

> Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing.

Aren't we all responsible for being ethical? There seems to be a rise in the opinion that ethics do not matter and all that matters is the law. If it's legal then it must be ethical!

Perhaps having an ethical AI team helps the other teams ignore ethics. We have a team for that!

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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As independent as any other government oversight/regulation in the US, it'd either be directly run or heavily influenced by those being regulated.

> it'd either be directly run or heavily influenced by those being regulated. Which is also the probable fate of an AGI super intelligence being regulated by humans.

You misunderstand AGI. AGI won't be controllable, it'd be like ants building a fence around a human thinking it'll keep him in.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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We’re talking about making sure chatbots don’t say “nigger,” not bioweapons. At some point you need to trust that the people using the tools are adults.

You ought to be talking about both. A friendly and helpful AI assistant that doesn't have any safety guardrails will give you detailed instructions for how to build and operate a bioweapon lab in the same style it will give you a cake recipe; and it will walk you though the process of writing code to search for dangerous nerve agents with the same apparent eagerness as when you ask for an implementation of Pong writt…

You are spreading dangerous misinformation about LLMs. They cannot reliably generalize outside of their training data ergo if they are able to give detailed enough information to bootstrap a bioweapons this information is already publicly available.

Your second point boils down to "this makes fraud easier" which is true of all previous advances in communication technology, let me ask what is your opinion of EU Chat Control?

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#278

It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone…

This. It's just another infiltration akin to DEI into corporations.

Should all be completely disbanded.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

#279

It never made any organizational sense for me to have a "responsible AI team" in the first place. Every team doing AI work should be responsible and should think about the ethical (and legal at a bare minimum baseline) dimension of what they are doing. Having that concentrated in a single team means that team becomes a bottleneck where they have to vet all AI work everyone else does for responsibility and/or everyone…

Perhaps, but other things that should be followed (such as compliance) are handled by other teams, even though every team should strive to be compliant. Maybe the difference is that one has actual legal ramifications, while the other doesn't yet? I suppose Meta could get sued, but that is true about everything.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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No? That’s been the goal of NLP and information retrieval research for decades.

The goal is also to develop systems that are significantly more capable than current systems. And those systems could be misused when terrorists gain access to them. What about that is "unhinged"?

It's unhinged because one could make slippery slope arguments about any technology killing millions of people.

In the cold war era, the government didn't even want cryptography to become generally available. I mean, what if Soviet spies use it to communicate with each other and the government can't decode what they're saying?

Legislators who are worried about technology killing people ought to focus their efforts on the technologies that we actually know kill people, like guns and cigarettes. (Oh but, those industries are donating money to the politicians, so they conveniently don't care much.)

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