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YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet

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Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet

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Post by slimsag »

huehehue wrote: post #156
slimsag wrote: post #109

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Another possible endgame is all YouTube videos are livestreams and you cannot skip on the timeline, with ads inserted directly into the stream. In that world, the best an adblocker would be able to do is show a blank screen for 30s while it waits for the real video's frames to resume.

> all YouTube videos are livestreams and you cannot skip on the timeline, with ads inserted directly into the stream. So we really are back to reinventing cable TV

Now that I think about it, they could implement timeline skipping support on the server. Select a time, the server alters your personal livestream and can still inject ads at any moment

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Post by JAlexoid »

throwawayqfjwoe wrote: post #163
JAlexoid wrote: post #27

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Why are you consuming any YT videos, then? Why are so many people feel entitled to YT videos without ads?

Nobody is "consuming" any "YouTube videos". I couldn't care less about YouTube. It is just an intermediary to content that I would enjoy if it was published on any other website. More often than not, YouTube gets in the way instead of helping, too: hiding notifications and new publications, exposing my favourite creators to abuse through comments, financially and legally abusing them themselves with crappy copyright…

> It is just an intermediary to content that I would enjoy if it was published on any other website.

Then go to those other websites.

This argument is akin to saying that I will disregard any FOSS license terms of any code posted to GitHub, because I hate Microsoft.

> And then, it is not like paying and ad block are mutually exclusive.

Content creators get a bigger cut from subscriber views, than from ad-supported views. So you are absolutely shortchanging the people who create content for you on YouTube.

> needs to make money off the backs of people whose work I like

I create videos and I choose YouTube to distribute them. So do many others... It's definitely not your call where to post my or their videos. And spare me the "I'm actually doing this for them", when you're actively trying to stop their ability to earn money through ads.

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Post by JAlexoid »

nvy wrote: post #105
JAlexoid wrote: post #27

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Why are you consuming any YT videos, then? Why are so many people feel entitled to YT videos without ads?

Candidly? 1. These corporations are so user-hostile, hypocritical, and scummy that I derive a small bit of enjoyment from the pennies I cost them when I pirate their stuff. 2. The overwhelming majority of content on youtube isn't worth paying $15/mo for. I grew up in the 90s when "Information wants to be free" and "fuck corporations" were still part of the mainstream zeitgeist, and I guess I still carry a bit of that…

Who's stuff are you pirating off YouTube?

I post my own videos on YouTube, so I'm pretty sure that you're not pirating anything owned by Google when you screw individual creators.

Now tell me how noble you are, when you do everything in your power to reduce income from ads for these "fatcats"(Like the evil ServeTheHome or Stumpy Nubs Woodworking)

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Post by korse »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #15

It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…

But I don't pay for any of that now, and never have (Amazon video aside, which comes with Prime, a service invaluable to my wife). If YouTube's ad blocking finally comes for me, then I will cease to use YouTube.

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Post by JAlexoid »

hightrix wrote: post #263
JAlexoid wrote: post #241

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You can, however, skip them immediately.

You're absolutely right. I use SponsorBlock and uBlock Origin on Youtube and will continue to do so until there is a way to pay to 1) remove all ads and 2) remove all data collection by Google. Until then, I'll continue paying with my data while blocking ads. I will not pay for content twice or more.

So you want not data collection by Google on YouTube, that is Google.

That literally means that unless Google spins off YouTube, you will screw the creators on YouTube.

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Post by BXlnt2EachOther »

falcolas wrote: post #193
BXlnt2EachOther wrote: post #191

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Is the 40% increase region-specific? I'm a YT Premium subscriber and they just had a price increase in the US three months ago ($120 to $140 yearly, similarly billed monthly).

The $10 to $14 is coming (for me) in December. I've been paying long enough I believe I was grandfathered past the increase you mentioned.

Thanks!

I recognize this doesn't solve your reasons at all, but for anyone facing an un-grandfathering who is simply price-conscious, if you're willing to commit for a year to YT Premium, it's effectively $11.66/mo.

I just squeaked into pre-increase Nest pricing for the final year I'll use it. This has been a big year for 40%+ subscription price increases, Google and otherwise, it seems.

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Post by hightrix »

arrakeen wrote: post #229

i was a YouTube Premium subscriber ever since i was grandfathered in with the closure of Play Music up until last month. every single new feature worsened my experience until i couldn't take it anymore and cancelled. i gave feedback with every new feature and trial but i never got a reply and things just kept getting worse and worse. the worst offenders: * forcing Music content in my YouTube feeds -- i use YouTube so…

The most frustrating part, for me, is that Google Play Music was the perfect music streaming service. It just worked.

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Post by nvy »

JAlexoid wrote: post #273
nvy wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Candidly? 1. These corporations are so user-hostile, hypocritical, and scummy that I derive a small bit of enjoyment from the pennies I cost them when I pirate their stuff. 2. The overwhelming majority of content on youtube isn't worth paying $15/mo for. I grew up in the 90s when "Information wants to be free" and "fuck corporations" were still part of the mainstream zeitgeist, and I guess I still carry a bit of that…

Who's stuff are you pirating off YouTube? I post my own videos on YouTube, so I'm pretty sure that you're not pirating anything owned by Google when you screw individual creators. Now tell me how noble you are, when you do everything in your power to reduce income from ads for these "fatcats"(Like the evil ServeTheHome or Stumpy Nubs Woodworking)

>Who's stuff are you pirating off YouTube?

Well, the way Google sees it (and other media companies) I'm pirating because I'm not watching ads.

>I post my own videos on YouTube

Me too, or at least I used to several years ago. I don't monetize my videos, though. I'm not a "youtuber", just a guy who posted some videos for il2 sturmovik.

>Now tell me how noble you are

You're pretty high up on that horse there, pal. I never claimed to be noble, I just don't like Google.

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Post by nvy »

cykros wrote: post #228
nvy wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Candidly? 1. These corporations are so user-hostile, hypocritical, and scummy that I derive a small bit of enjoyment from the pennies I cost them when I pirate their stuff. 2. The overwhelming majority of content on youtube isn't worth paying $15/mo for. I grew up in the 90s when "Information wants to be free" and "fuck corporations" were still part of the mainstream zeitgeist, and I guess I still carry a bit of that…

Especially with their censorship campaigns underway. How many got demonetized or blocked for suggesting COVID may have been a lab leak, right on up until Jon Stewart said the same thing on Colbert's show? How many had the same situation over vaccines with myocarditis, right on up until (and maybe since even) Pfizer released data about the incidence of it as a side effect? And how many videos have been actively taken…

I'd never heard of Rumble, so I googled it (how ironic!) and the results page included a sublink of whatever is trending, which was a video called "The Commie Left Is Melting Down (Ep. 2121)"

So yeah, no thanks, I'm not interested in your alt-right echo chamber.

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Post by [deleted] »

JAlexoid wrote: post #260
archontes wrote: post #81

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It's like using TiVo to skip commercials. I don't disagree with YT attempting to show me ads, but I have control of my computer, and if I can direct my computer not to show them to me, I will. I simply won't tolerate ads for any reason. I find the experience user hostile. So I'm always going to adopt some path that delivers me content without ads. And in choosing which path to adopt, I will always choose the least co…

So what you're saying is that I, someone that makes woodworking videos on YouTube, have to accept you getting my videos without compensation. Because I, not you, choose to host them on YouTube and give Google about half of revenue from ads. And now because I chose YouTube - you feel that it's OK for you to screw me... This is the level of entitlement I will never accept.

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