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Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by philistine »

rangestransform wrote: post #270
secondcoming wrote: post #92

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Then you'd need scaling and all that. Seems a bit overkill for something people rarely use.

I think the rest of the PC industry could use some of the "paint the back of the fence" mentality that apple has; as of right now, many aspects of PCs off of the happy path are ugly as shit

It’s not even that Apple paints the back of the fence. Apple does not have a BIOS or a UEFI or now iBoot screen at all! They made sure not to have a fence at all.

You’re either in macOS or booted in its recovery partition.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by philistine »

sneak wrote: post #241
MBCook wrote: post #185

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No, it stopped for the Intel switch, I believe.

Yeah, the Open Firmware preboot Forth console was a PowerPC only thing. Now Apple’s bootloader is actually a tiny macOS. As much as I don’t like the complexity this brings, I do strongly approve of a boot environment that supports proper input devices and video. My iMac Pro’s (intel, non-macOS-based bootloader) bootloader drops keyboard inputs when typing my long passphrase because I type too fast for it. The Mx macs…

And the nearly indestructible protection that DFU brings.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by NavinF »

kccqzy wrote: post #266
NavinF wrote: post #264

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Have you done an eye exam recently? With 20/20 vision and no practice you should be able to see input lag up to 1000Hz by dragging any UI element around like the presenter does in this video: https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4

I definitely see it in the video. But no my computer (like all Macs) does not have a touch screen. So without the aid of directly comparing my finger and the object being manipulated on the screen, I cannot perceive the difference.

What if you just move your cursor in a circle? You can see each frame where the cursor is in a different position. With persistence of vision you should see twice as many cursors on a 120Hz panel compared to 60Hz. I also feel a noticably larger delay in cursor movements when I when I use a 60Hz monitor or phone.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by Ingaz »

NavinF wrote: post #264
kccqzy wrote: post #200

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Surely I'm not the only one that simply cannot perceive any difference between 60Hz and 120Hz?

Have you done an eye exam recently? With 20/20 vision and no practice you should be able to see input lag up to 1000Hz by dragging any UI element around like the presenter does in this video: https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4

I do not drag UI elements. I'm still struggling to make my Mac (work notebook) as responsive as my personal i3 notebook.

My perception: current Mac is an oversized iPad without touchscreen

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by NavinF »

Ingaz wrote: post #274
NavinF wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you done an eye exam recently? With 20/20 vision and no practice you should be able to see input lag up to 1000Hz by dragging any UI element around like the presenter does in this video: https://youtu.be/vOvQCPLkPt4

I do not drag UI elements. I'm still struggling to make my Mac (work notebook) as responsive as my personal i3 notebook. My perception: current Mac is an oversized iPad without touchscreen

specs?

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by spondylosaurus »

neilalexander wrote: post #3

Interestingly I ran into this exact problem with my work MacBook Pro M1 upgrading to Ventura 13.6 and assumed it was a totally isolated incident. I don't have a dual-boot setup either, just a single macOS install. The computer was connected to a Thunderbolt Display during the update which I assume had the same effect of changing the refresh rate to something other-than-ProMotion that the linked article mentions. I ha…

The exact same thing happened to me (M2 Pro) and I had to take the exact same steps to fix it! Thankfully my data was also intact after the DFU revival, but I also thought it was an isolated incident—that maybe the battery ran dry before the update finished and something got corrupted. But my spare monitor must've been the culprit.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by p_l »

throwaway290 wrote: post #265
p_l wrote: post #262

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These are licensed shops that serve as effectively local Apple Store (as they are primary contact with Apple for majority of clientele) and then completely 3rd party stores which do not carry Apple branding.

Authorized resellers aren't your "contact with Apple", you can simply buy genuine apple products there. Authorized repair centers can do repair and have access to genuine parts. That's all it is. Apple Store is a totally different shebang, if those are not owned by Apple it would be a major news story for lots of people. And if they are owned by apple I don't see why their employees can not see bug reports.

As far as general population is involved, "iSpot" in Poland are "apple stores".

Even if what happens is that they are just a favoured franchise.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by throwaway290 »

p_l wrote: post #277
throwaway290 wrote: post #265

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Authorized resellers aren't your "contact with Apple", you can simply buy genuine apple products there. Authorized repair centers can do repair and have access to genuine parts. That's all it is. Apple Store is a totally different shebang, if those are not owned by Apple it would be a major news story for lots of people. And if they are owned by apple I don't see why their employees can not see bug reports.

As far as general population is involved, "iSpot" in Poland are "apple stores". Even if what happens is that they are just a favoured franchise.

It's not about genpop, someone here on HN said that Apple Store employees might have access to radar and someone else here on HN claimed that Apple Stores are not owned by Apple. We should know what is an apple store and what is a random shop that paid Apple for logo rights;)

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by mzmzmzm »

ojbyrne wrote: post #188
userbinator wrote: post #139

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For those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTaNi6uL41s BIOSes of the time were all written in highly-optimised Asm, and I suspect those little "easter eggs" they added were because the programmers knew they had enough space left over to put some more fun stuff in. There was also AMI WinBIOS that provided a GUI, but I remember it being much less featureful than other BIOSes of the time with a TUI a…

Somebody missed the memo: https://bwiggs.com/notebook/queens-duck/

Is there also a term for when you present mangagers or clients with an array of options and intentionally degrade the ones that in your opinion would come out worse? Asking as a graphic who would never ask someone to pick the best of three pitches while alreading harboring a strong preference.

Re: macOS Sonoma Boot Failures

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Post by s3p »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #269
Kwpolska wrote: post #263

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Mac OS X is a descendant of NeXTStep. It shares no code in common with classic Mac OS.

How is Mac OS Classic sharing lines of code, or not, even relevant to the question?

By definition. If they used the same code, they would be similar.
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