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We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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My expectation (from what I know of Waymo's current behavior) is that cars will be perfectly safe and predictable road citizens, no more threatening or dangerous than a Roomba.

Which completely fails in any dense city because all it takes is one random pedestrian to cut you off - and you won’t be moving for hours . Because no one is going to yield if you don’t make them. And waymo won’t try to make them because that is how you get accidents. There is a reason city drivers are aggressive, and it’s not just because they’re stressed out. It’s literally necessary to make any forward progress in…

Seems like the cars all need to talk to each other then these interactions can be auto negotiated ahead of time

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Yeah, believe it or not I'm familiar with that word. Is it really that hard to understand that other people simply might not like the same things as you?

Fear of public spaces or even being in the same space as strangers isn’t “liking different things”, it’s a psychological problem - albeit one that a lot of people experience due to modern society being very atomised.

Not everyone who prefers more personal space has psychological problems. Why is it so difficult for you to understand? Nuance matters. I commute by train, I enjoy being around people, but I use car when I want to get around on my own time, even if train is available.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Is it ass-up?

Unrelated, but what's the goal of obfuscating obviously known "bad" words ?

The censored swear communicates a big screw up, without taking off the professionalism hat.

The effect of the swear is doubled in a professional environment, when delivered the right way.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Ah this is first comment on HN I see that ever acknowledged two-wheel personal transport. In Asian countries which have even denser community and worse infrastructure, it's practically the miracle answer. I'm actually a bit surprised when I discover that western countries just, doesn't use it at all, or if they do it's the big variant that's almost as space-filling as a car anyway. It's the densest we can pack people…

One big problem with two-wheel motorized transport is the emissions: motorcycles and scooters have horrible emissions. They're also really dangerous. E-bikes are becoming really popular though, in some places. They're about the same speed as regular bicycles, but much easier and less tiring (/sweaty) to ride for most people, especially on hills. Here in Tokyo, every mother with small children has one now it seems.

It's fortunate that electric scooters have decent range and the (small) battery can be replaced easily, which matches the common petrol scooters with a canister of fuel at home. The overall tradeoff is much better than with cars.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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I think an automated bus would have enough electronics such that it would cost a lot more than the bus driver for a long, long time. At least that's the status quo. A Waymo car costs a lot more than a $7K Uber Prius.

Time to bring back trolley cars!

Or a way to have automobiles behave like trolley cars during the segment of the journey that makes the most sense.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Which completely fails in any dense city because all it takes is one random pedestrian to cut you off - and you won’t be moving for hours . Because no one is going to yield if you don’t make them. And waymo won’t try to make them because that is how you get accidents. There is a reason city drivers are aggressive, and it’s not just because they’re stressed out. It’s literally necessary to make any forward progress in…

Seems like the cars all need to talk to each other then these interactions can be auto negotiated ahead of time

Ah, the classic engineering approach.

When the cows don’t behave, it’s because they aren’t spherical enough.

Good luck with that. It works, to some degree, when you can control all the variables.

Good luck with that approach when you’re dealing with NYC pedestrians, or Midwest winters, or cyclones/hurricanes, or auto rickshaws, etc. etc.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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You're making big assertions without giving any details. > Ironically, the contingent of people that are most aggressive/ambitious about promoting public transit are often the same that are most against taking the (admittedly, not always the most pleasant) steps needed to sell the idea to the masses. Like what?

For example - ensuring there aren't crazy drug addicted homeless persons raging about murdering everyone on the train. When issues like that are brought up, common responses from the pro-transit crowd include: "The psycho is completely harmless, just let him be. He has every right to be on the subway too." "Cars kill people!. The psycho will never hurt anyone!" "We have to pass Medicare-for-all and pass unconditional…

If the US has such an extreme problem with all public spaces, shouldn't that be addressed? No one else has that problem.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Out of all the tech problems to solve, driverless cars or driverless taxis has always baffled me. It’s a very complex thing to solve with a zillion edge cases. And for what net gain? What incredible inconvenience are we trying to solve? Lack of good public transit? Let’s solve that instead. Millions of cars driverless or not are not a great solution to anything.

Public transit doesn't scale outside of dense urban areas. North America doesn't have the population density to make public transit viable outside specific metros like Chicago, NYC, Boston, DC. And said metros already do have public transit. So cars are the main viable option, and self-driving cars present the opportunity to regain time lost to commuting. Less discussed, but probably even more important are driverles…

It's not a shortage of drivers, the required skill takes some time but most people can acquire it.

It's a shortage of pay and conditions.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Fear of public spaces or even being in the same space as strangers isn’t “liking different things”, it’s a psychological problem - albeit one that a lot of people experience due to modern society being very atomised.

Not everyone who prefers more personal space has psychological problems. Why is it so difficult for you to understand? Nuance matters. I commute by train, I enjoy being around people, but I use car when I want to get around on my own time, even if train is available.

Commuting to work by train but driving around otherwise is very common, but it's usually because train lines are oriented about CBD trips, but less so for cross-suburb trips.

Are you saying you'd use a car for non-work trips even when the train would be more convenient?

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Unrelated, but what's the goal of obfuscating obviously known "bad" words ?

The censored swear communicates a big screw up, without taking off the professionalism hat. The effect of the swear is doubled in a professional environment, when delivered the right way.

I think that was his point; it doesn't, and instead implies that the writer is hypocritical ("I'm going to swear, but I won't actually swear").
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