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Interviews in the Age of AI: Ditch Leetcode – Try Code Reviews Instead

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Re: Interviews in the Age of AI: Ditch Leetcode – Try Code Reviews Instead

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If it’s just a formality, why would you delay the new hire’s start by several weeks while it’s pending?

As an employer you wouldn't - but I don't understand how any employee agrees to starting before it's complete.

You already know whether you have a criminal record or financial catastrophe. If you do, maybe you need to wait and see what they think of it. If you don’t, there is no chance of a problem.

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I agree. You have to do the test that really relates to what you are looking for. For backend web devs I'm hiring I established a modified version of a process that has worked for me well before: 1. Interact with a RESTA api and solve the problem by doing cURL requests and some lightweight string mangling and computation to generate key. Then submit the result with your BASE64 code in the request. Your code is analyz…

sounds like a great process. are you hiring? email is in my profile.

Sorry, I'm pay Mexican pesos, as I hire in Mexico. Theoretically I could hire from outside Mexico, but people in US and Canada are expensive

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Yes. Communication is the biggest hurdle in any collaboration. I have not been part of multi stage interview process, so I don't know all problems there. But my point was more that if you find leetcode hard-to-impossible on difficulty scale, it probably means you are self taught and didn't bother with data structures and algorithms lecture/book/video/course. Again probably bad communication on my part. Our interviews…

The material’s not the hard part. You can just study that. It’s the social environment and performance, often sustained for hours, that’s entirely unlike anything else I do. It’s not like emergencies (great at those), it’s not like being in a meeting with a hostile client (good at that), it’s not like any socially-difficult thing I do in work or life outside of it, and it’s certainly not like normal collaboration. Pr…

It feels like performing in a theater while someone is distracting you with math questions.

If it was like a normal exam with own and paper, that woupd be easier

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I can bring my kids in but I don't think I could tell you how they work. I've been in this industry for almost 20 years, but I don't have side projects, because, well, see above.

I've never heard side projects should be recent or ongoing. How do you not have any side projects? Have you only ever programmed professionally?

I doubt they would want to be judged on code they wrote 10 years ago, though

Re: Interviews in the Age of AI: Ditch Leetcode – Try Code Reviews Instead

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I can bring my kids in but I don't think I could tell you how they work. I've been in this industry for almost 20 years, but I don't have side projects, because, well, see above.

I've never heard side projects should be recent or ongoing. How do you not have any side projects? Have you only ever programmed professionally?

I doubt they would want to be judged on code they wrote 10 years ago, though.

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>>except when someone is currently employed and is leaving a job to take one at our company. And in that case you do the check before they start with you, yes?

Of course.

In that case it seems like all of the criticism in this thread is moot.

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There are probably about 30 or so leetcode problems and then endless variations made for those 30 problems. The best people on leetcode practice and memorize. If you want to see an example of a new problem check out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37910297 . You'd think if leetcode makes you good at solving problems then it should be doable any higher ranking leetcode programmer.

> There are probably about 30 or so leetcode problems and then endless variations made for those 30 problems. The best people on leetcode practice and memorize. The comment I replied to claimed that "LLMs would do pretty well at leetcode interviews". OpenAIs own report [0] shows how GPT-4 fails miserably at medium/hard leetcode problems that are not in the training data. [0] https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf

I wouldn't consider doing 31/41 easy problems, 21/80 of medium problems, and 3/45 of hard problems a failure. GPT-4 wasn't built to solve these problems but can still do 3 of 45 hard problems. Hell I don't know if you sat down 45 random programmers if 3 of them could solve those 3 problems GPT-4 was able to do, and nobody could solve them in the time it took GPT-4.

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To be fair grinding Leetcode to the point of proficiency takes longer than a week. With that said I agree on your other point, putting in the work and sacrificing time, even months, will pay dividends long-term with a salary that allows someone to retire early.

If you are willing to spend your younger, healthier years grinding just to (potentially, there are so many things that are outside of your control that can go wrong no matter your work ethic) get a few more years of retirement at the end of your life - then sure. Grind away.

While it is true there are many factors outside of our control I'm still going to prepare the best I can for the factors that are in my control. FAANG salaries allow someone to retire decades earlier which is the significant amount of time

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sounds like a great process. are you hiring? email is in my profile.

Sorry, I'm pay Mexican pesos, as I hire in Mexico. Theoretically I could hire from outside Mexico, but people in US and Canada are expensive

no problem. best of luck with your company!

Re: Interviews in the Age of AI: Ditch Leetcode – Try Code Reviews Instead

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…why would you need an old W2?

People lie about job history

There's a school of thought around comp where what someone's made in the past should inform what you offer in the future. Some use comp history as an indicator of quality. Some use it as guidance for making sure they don't offer too much.
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