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Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #240

> "Now we can put the consumer first and create a level playing field for those businesses that advertise the real price, up front," I hope this means they're banning the common US practice of omitting sales taxes and tips from prices.

Unfortunately including tips doesn't work because that's a variable and technically voluntary charge.

Also a problem for sales taxes because online stores don't know how much sales tax to charge until they have a shipping address.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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It looks like this passed along party lines. What's the "pro hidden fees" stance exactly?

In general, their stance has been "vote against anything the governor is willing to sign."

Unfortunately noone knows what Newsom is willing to sign, because he doesn't comment on any legislation until it gets to his desk and then randomly vetoes half of it.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #238

I don't quite see how an overdraft fee (one of the examples given) is a junk fee - it costs the bank real money to cover the loan they are effectively giving you when you are in overdraft.

How about just rejecting the withdrawal instead of overdrafting?

The first time I opened a bank account, I was thinking, "The banker has been telling me about overdraft for 15 minutes straight, and I still have no idea why this is a thing." So bizarre. I asked at the end, can I just turn this off, answer was no.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost the bank real money? lol What planet are you from? Banks don’t use their money.

If a bank covers an overdraft, then the customer doesn’t have the money to pay it back, where does the money come from? Whose balance sheet if not the bank’s?

Not their money that is for sure haha

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone always says this, and it's basically never going to happen, at least in the US. Tons of places have tried to ban tipping and just include the service in the cost of the item. They nearly always revert because the best workers leave to make more money at a tipping joint.

Not just that, some businesses that try no-tipping end up having to raise their prices significantly more than the average tip amount, since paying their workers a higher non-tipped wage means they have to pay more in payroll taxes too.

That doesn't apply to California, which already doesn't have a tipped minimum wage. But waiters like tips, because it means they get paid more.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost the bank real money? lol What planet are you from? Banks don’t use their money.

If a bank covers an overdraft, then the customer doesn’t have the money to pay it back, where does the money come from? Whose balance sheet if not the bank’s?

That is already how it works. The fee doesn't change their ability to get money back whatsoever. The fee just punishes the person who screwed up more than they're already punished by being broke.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Comments that are bringing up taxes (which are totally exempted by this bill anyway) and tips (with one small caveat) are completely missing the point. You can have a debate about how to display those items on a price list, but everyone knows about them and they are expected. The whole point of this bill is to prevent bait-and-switch, where loads of unknown or variable fees are tacked on after the price is initially…

Traveling to the US is for most Europeans a mightmare on this point. We are used to have a price that includes the taxes, services, delivery, wathever, you pay this much for this good ot service, and not an anachronistic 'tip' incantation for which you have to be tuned in to the latest local vibes so as not to unintentionaly run afoul of some obfuscated social rules, or you have to wip out your phone to google tax ra…

This is the US, it's gonna be US-centric. But tax should be part of the price anyway for a physical store, cause there's no reason for it not to be. At least tip sorta has the point of being variable.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Ironic when the same day, California Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoe'd bill intended to limit the price of insulin, and thus access to essential health care for many.

Is that the same bill that would have decriminalized psychedelic mushrooms? Good thing California uses First Past the Post voting, making a two party system a inevitably. Must be cheaper to purchase the government for the 1%.

Newsom is the same party as the legislative supermajority.

This is a very bad way to analyze politics. Politicians actually believe in the things they're doing.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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post #238

I don't quite see how an overdraft fee (one of the examples given) is a junk fee - it costs the bank real money to cover the loan they are effectively giving you when you are in overdraft.

Treat it as a loan and make it cost a real, low double-digit APR instead of fixed fees.

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