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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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I think it’s notable that the chip powering the RP5 is built on a 16nm process. (The RP4 was on 26nm). This is a nearly 10 year old manufacturing process and it’s silly to compare the performance per watt to any Intel or Arm chip on the market today. On such an old node, it’s not surprising that the power draw is so high. Of course an M2 would smoke a RP5 at a much lower power. But the RP5 is 60 bucks!

Is there any high end 5/7nm SBC? Phone chips don't seem to escape the phone market.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

#272

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Won’t you still need an NTP or a GPS time module unless the RTC has a battery backup? How many applications would you have where timing is critical but you won’t have an external time reference that would be still viable without a guaranteed power backup?

Nobody said anything about not having NTP in the loop! Here's the deal: RPi The first thing we did was deliver 12V down the wire with a high quality power supply. Then we used UBEC buck converter modules (intended for RC quadcopters) to deliver power directly into the Pi via its pins. However, even now you're just chasing physics. There's no way to send a command to all of the Pis to do something right now . Instead,…

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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This is pretty bad: "Does Raspberry Pi 5 need active cooling? "Raspberry Pi 5 is faster and more powerful than prior-generation Raspberry Pis, and like most general-purpose computers, it will perform best with active cooling. The Raspberry Pi Case for Raspberry Pi 5, with its integrated fan, is one way to provide this." They pose a question themselves, and don't even answer it. Of course something will perform best w…

Are we reading the same blog post? The post that parent posted literally reads: > "Raspberry Pi 5 has been designed to handle typical client workloads, uncased, with no active cooling".

'uncased', which is the problem with many boards for the hobbyist market, from compute to sensors.

IMHO, uncased means you're doing maintenance or it's a toy, but it's not a 'production' configuration.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

#274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said anything about not having NTP in the loop! Here's the deal: RPi The first thing we did was deliver 12V down the wire with a high quality power supply. Then we used UBEC buck converter modules (intended for RC quadcopters) to deliver power directly into the Pi via its pins. However, even now you're just chasing physics. There's no way to send a command to all of the Pis to do something right now . Instead,…

At some point, and considering how cheap they are these days, the simplest option is to add a GPS module if your use-case allows for satellites in decent view.

Does this work inside?

How cheap is cheap?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Did you read the blog post? :) "Raspberry Pi 5 consumes significantly less power, and runs significantly cooler, than Raspberry Pi 4 when running an identical workload. However, the much higher performance ceiling means that for the most intensive workloads, and in particular for pathological “power virus” workloads, peak power consumption increases to around 12W, versus 8W for Raspberry Pi 4."

Alright so 27W with heavy peripheral draw then? But 12 W still means it'll be drawing 2.4 amps instead of 1.6 when a random process decides to 100% it. I guess we can always underclock it. The real unanswered question is, does it finally have a damn sleep mode so it can save power when idle.

I read that the "PC style" power button allows both soft and hard shutdown, so I suppose suspend and hibernate come into the picture as well. It's mostly a matter of OS support, the firmware seems to be there.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Sadly built on legacy ISA, still ARM instead of the open standard RISC-V. They wasted the opportunity to go RISC-V with Pi 5. I am surprised they still haven't figured out how to accept USB power with higher voltage than 5V. It'll thus continue to be a pain to power. Apparently it isn't all that efficient anymore as evident from their active cooler add-on. It looks like the performance will be similar to the incoming…

There are a lot of good reasons to not jump the gun on riscv. You're not going to get the same performance for the same price point on riscv at the moment. A lot of the existing software ecosystem still hasn't been ported over to riscv either.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

#277

TBH the thing I hate most about this category of SBC is the reliance on SD cards. They are both too unreliable to trust and so slow that they often bottleneck the SBC. Buying them is often a crap shoot too, I've purchased cards batches of cards from the supposed reputable manufacturers that were all over the board when benchmarked, and rarely did they hit the claimed speed spec. I would love if there was an alternati…

You can netboot a Pi. Every Pi in my house netboots. I have a whole bunch of them. Some play games, some play videos, some play music, and a few other minor things. Because they all netboot, you can change what each one does by renaming a file on the server and then rebooting it. It's great.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

#278
From what I can tell, this is the first version without a composite video output, correct?

It's a bit of a shame. What are the alternatives for someone who needs a computer connected to an old CRT TV? Are there other boards with composite video or does one need to get a HDMI->composite converter?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

#279

Hi, I've been testing the RPi5 for a few weeks and have written up my results and benchmarks on Twitter. https://x.com/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650?s=20 This is so much quicker for clusters, servers and headless use, that I don't think I'd consider buying any more RPi4s myself.

Are those results available anywhere else?

My thought as well. I can only see one tweet, no replies. I'm guessing it's a thread, and you need to have an account to read the replies?
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