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Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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pingswept wrote: post #71
tomp wrote: post #58

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Yes. I find it extremely funny/awkward that you say police person instead of policeman/woman, flight attendant instead of steward/stewardess, horizontally challenged instead of fat, can't say fuck on TV (but it's ok to carry guns and kill millions of innocent Afghans and support Israel's invasion of Palestine), that you can't drink under 18/21 (I don't know which one) not even if your parents are around (and you call…

I live in the US. I think most of those things happen a lot less than you think. To take what I think is the most extreme example, in the ~35 years that I've been parsing speech successfully, I don't think I've ever heard someone refer to a fat person as "horizontally challenged." Maybe this stuff just happens on TV? One exception: not saying "fuck" on TV. That's accurate and fucking insane.

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Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Post by hythloday »

zbyszek wrote: post #268

This is tangential to the discussion, but as an obtuse non-American I'm glad to have the phrase in question explained to me (you wouldn't believe I have actually spent some time in the US). The UK equivalant is "as the actress said to the bishop", which combines a Cromwellian suspicion of the immorality of the theatre with the implication of the hypocrisy of the clergy. Is it any better, though? I'm sure the bot coul…

I thought about this earlier today, and I think it is less sexist, because we no longer have the same stereotypes of actresses--it's not an invitation to lazy thinking.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Post by agateform »

rmc wrote: post #153
CompiledCode wrote: post #43

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Can you give an example? In almost all states, if the wife gets pregnant by another man, the man is still on the hook for child support for the next 18+ years... even if she divorces him and marries her lover. I can't think of an equivalent anti-female law with such devastating long-term impact on the woman. I know this message might be off tangent for the HN board. But if we're discussing anti-female sexist culture…

I can't think of an equivalent anti-female law with such devastating long-term impact on the woman. * (In the USA) Have someone stick a thing up your vagina if you want a abortion (some sonogram laws) * Raped? Some police officers (y'know people who should be prosecuting the people who raped you) think you shouldn't dress like sluts (and hence if you do dress like a slut, you were asking for it, so clearly can't have…

It seems natural that very little attention is being placed on mans issues.

I think just selectively pointing out gender issues will not prove that the specific gender has it worse. I think instead of always assuming that woman has it worse we should also look at mens issues along with womans issues. This is difficult because humans have a tendency of protecting woman and not worrying much about men. Here is a video about this http://youtu.be/TBzx-SMSwGE and a paper (which I haven't got a chance to read completely) http://adamjones.freeservers.com/globe.htm

I can't find a good list of mans issues but here is a OK list. http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/the-top-10-issues-of...

This list does not contain issues like the rape of man by woman and other man, incarceration issues, man having a much higher death rate in the work place (more man at dangerous jobs), higher suicide rate of man, less men graduating college then woman, crazy rape laws like drink + sex = rape of woman but not man, tricky asking for consent = coercion = rape (at some colleges), draft only applies to man, millions of mostly male veterans committing suicide, male sexual mutilation & forced circumcision, domestic violence against man, legal paternal surrender/financial abortion, man are more likely to be assaulted and mugged then woman (even criminals tend to protect woman, see what happens to rapist in prison), in average man live less time then woman etc...

Note. Criticism of feminism is not necessarily anti-woman or anti-womans rights. I support womans rights like rights to chose.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Post by bct »

agateform wrote: post #229
calibraxis wrote: post #36

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I have a hard time imagining anyone here seriously saying, "Whether or not it's racism related is irrelevant." But I agree that men generally don't mind Bob with his hourly cracks about women (and maybe gays). That's why men swear up and down that they've never seen sexism in their workplaces. Because we simply can't see it. (And our society is sexist, so sexism is kind of like air.) Hard to imagine that silly ol' Bo…

>But I agree that men generally don't mind Bob with his hourly cracks about women (and maybe gays). I'm male and certainly mind very much! I tend to find people that make cracks about woman not very smart. I also can't stand misandry which goes completely unnoticed by society. >That's why men swear up and down that they've never seen sexism in their workplaces. Because we simply can't see it. (And our society is sexi…

> It implies that just by being a men one is in a more powerful and advantageous position.

All other things being equal, yes, a man is in a more powerful and advantageous position.

Obviously there are lots of individual women who are more powerful than individual men, and there are classes of women who are more powerful than other classes of men, but in general there are many advantages that men have that women do not. These advantages are a direct result of broad societal structures and cultural norms.

Yes, there are advantages that, in general, women have and men do not, but when you look at them they are almost always the result of sexist, patriarchal norms - e.g. the ideas that men are strong so they should never show weakness, strength is best displayed through through dominance, women are fragile and need men to take care of them, women are naturally better with children, etc. These problems are all tied up with each other.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Post by bct »

agateform wrote: post #273
rmc wrote: post #153

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I can't think of an equivalent anti-female law with such devastating long-term impact on the woman. * (In the USA) Have someone stick a thing up your vagina if you want a abortion (some sonogram laws) * Raped? Some police officers (y'know people who should be prosecuting the people who raped you) think you shouldn't dress like sluts (and hence if you do dress like a slut, you were asking for it, so clearly can't have…

It seems natural that very little attention is being placed on mans issues. I think just selectively pointing out gender issues will not prove that the specific gender has it worse. I think instead of always assuming that woman has it worse we should also look at mens issues along with womans issues. This is difficult because humans have a tendency of protecting woman and not worrying much about men. Here is a video…

Men's issues are feminist issues, and are best advanced by working with and as feminists.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Post by Cushman »

rayiner wrote: post #260
Cushman wrote: post #256

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> The stereotypes of men as rapists and child molesters Whoa. It's obvious when you say it, but I've never even thought about it before-- I can't think of a single joke about that. Lots of jokes about rapists and child molesters, of course, but none about "men" who are implicitly the above. Can you think of any examples at all? Coming up with a few examples that actually hit (white, cis) men where it hurts could be a…

From my group of friends: I have a friend who (jokingly) characterizes her boyfriend's amorous advances when he's drunk as "rape-y." When my male friend mentioned Emma Watson was hot in the most recent Harry Potter movies (when she was 18+), our female friends ribbed him about being attracted to children. When an awkward guy tries too hard to hit on a girl, we might joke that his advances are "kinda rape-y." My femal…

Interesting, but not really what I'm talking about-- I don't mean mocking a person in particular, but the sort of jokes one might tell about men which are funny because all men are child molesters (but it's not offensive because of course I know all men aren't child molesters).

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Post by rayiner »

Cushman wrote: post #277
rayiner wrote: post #260

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From my group of friends: I have a friend who (jokingly) characterizes her boyfriend's amorous advances when he's drunk as "rape-y." When my male friend mentioned Emma Watson was hot in the most recent Harry Potter movies (when she was 18+), our female friends ribbed him about being attracted to children. When an awkward guy tries too hard to hit on a girl, we might joke that his advances are "kinda rape-y." My femal…

Interesting, but not really what I'm talking about-- I don't mean mocking a person in particular, but the sort of jokes one might tell about men which are funny because all men are child molesters (but it's not offensive because of course I know all men aren't child molesters).

The jokes I mentioned are funny because it alludes to men being rapists and child molesters. E.g. the joke about me abusing my girlfriend wouldn't be funny if there wasn't the stereotype of men as abusers.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

batista wrote: post #231
batista wrote: post #222

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(Yes, quick quick, down-vote the heretic -- we haven't progressed much from Salem, have we?) >Important things like women making less money than men, being more subjected to media objectification, being the target of laws that want to deny them rights because we still have a problem accepting that women are exactly equal to us? Funny how you seem to have the missed the part where I SPECIFICALLY write: " It's not like…

>Your deciding what is and isn't important for women to care about is a perfect example of privilege. What privilege exactly? The privilege of sharing my opinion on HN and getting down-voted for it? I thought "privilege" was a concept related to power, what happened to that notion? Women, like men, also care about BS. Non-issues, stupid issues, moral non-issues, religious hard-lines, the latest celeb gossip, some fad…

Re Lockyy - the trend of people downvoting and then continuing to argue with someone is annoying. Sometimes the font is so small I literally cannot read what has upset people

is this a technically solvable problem - if you downvote doyou then get your reply link taken away? Is this actually a problem or are downvoters different people to those who keep on arguing?

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