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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by thfuran »

adroniser wrote: post #251
thfuran wrote: post #210

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Unless you think that consciousness is entirely a post hoc process to rationalize thoughts already had and decisions already made, which is very much unlike how most people would describe their experience of it, I don't see how you could possibly say that it is irrelevant to the behavior of a human.

I'm saying someone would behave the exact same way if they did have subjective experience versus if they didn't have a subjective experience. The brain obeys physical laws just like everything else and I claim that all you need is those physical laws to explain everything a human does. I could be wrong there could be some magic fairy dust inside the human brain that performs some impossible computations but I doubt i…

Whether it is possible to construct a perfect human action predictor that is not itself conscious has no bearing on whether consciousness affects human behavior.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by skeeter2020 »

Closi wrote: post #150
joshstrange wrote: post #135

My biggest complaint with OpenAI/ChatGPT is their horrible "marketing" (for lack of a better term). They announce stuff like this (or like plugins), I get excited, I go to use it, it hasn't rolled out to me yet (which is frustrating as a paying customer), and my only recourse is.... check back daily? They never send an email "Plugins are available for you!", "Voice chat is now enabled on your account!" and so often I…

They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

Considering the field and progress that is being made I find this idea terrifying. All the big problems like "How will we actually control what we're building?" being answered "that's too hard; let's punt and solve that after we figure out how to consume voice data". One way or another this is likely the last technological advance that humans will make.

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Post by xdennis »

mrits wrote: post #146
layer8 wrote: post #113

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This is funny, because I find it much less cumbersome to type a few search terms into a search engine and explore the links it spits out.

It depends on the subject but search engines are on the decline. With so many fake website written by AI I can only see it get worse. The most extreme I can think of is when I want to find when a show comes out and I have to read 10 paragraphs from 5 different sites to realize no one knows.

> The most extreme I can think of is when I want to find when a show comes out

Yeah, I find that queries which can be answered in a sentence are the worst to find answers from search engines because all the results lengthen the response to an entire article, even when there isn't an answer.

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Post by notamy »

adroniser wrote: post #121
ChatGTP wrote: post #45

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I actually think that what is sad is that it seems as if having viable future as a creative visual artist is likely done. This was a major, major, major outlet and sanctuary for certain types of people to find meaning and fulfillment in their life which is now in the process of being wiped out for a quick buck. We'll be told by OpenAI and friends is that it shouldn't be a problem, because those were mundane tasks and…

fwiw the only piece of AI art that has given me the sense of awe and beauty that art you'd find in a museum gives me was that spiral town image https://twitter.com/MrUgleh/status/1705316060201681313 , which is something you couldn't have really made without AI. But that was only interesting because of the unique human generated idea behind it which was the encoding of a geometric pattern within a scene. Most AI art i…

> which is something you couldn't have really made without AI

Serious question: Why not?

> Eventually no one will be of any economic value to society.

People have value outside of economics — I’m sure you know — and it makes me so sad that we as a society? seem to only care about the money in the end.

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Post by macNchz »

flkenosad wrote: post #224
bamboozled wrote: post #110

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> What LLMs have made me realize more than anything is that we just don't care that much the information we receive being completely factual. I find this highly concerning but I feel similar. Even "smart people" I work with seem to have gulped down the LLM cool aid because it's convenient and it's "cool". Sometimes I honestly think: "just surrender to it all, believe in all the machine tells you unquestionably, forge…

The smart people I've seen using ChatGPT always double check the facts it gives. However, the truth is that RLHF works well to extinguish these lies over time. As more people use the platform and give feedback, the thing gets better. And now, I find it to be pretty darn accurate.

I see this conversation pretty frequently and I think the root of it lies in the fact that we have mental heuristics for determining whether we need to fact check another human because they are a bullshitter, an idiot, a charlatan etc, but most people haven’t really developed this sense for AIs.

I think the current state of AI trustworthiness (“very impressive and often accurate but occasionally extremely wrong”) triggers similar mental pathways to interacting with a true sociopath or pathological liar for the first time in real life, which can be intensely disorienting and cause one to question their trust in everyone else, as they try to comprehend this type of person.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by adroniser »

thfuran wrote: post #271
adroniser wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying someone would behave the exact same way if they did have subjective experience versus if they didn't have a subjective experience. The brain obeys physical laws just like everything else and I claim that all you need is those physical laws to explain everything a human does. I could be wrong there could be some magic fairy dust inside the human brain that performs some impossible computations but I doubt i…

Whether it is possible to construct a perfect human action predictor that is not itself conscious has no bearing on whether consciousness affects human behavior.

That wasn't my point. I'm saying that if the human brain is a physical object obeying physical laws, and all behaviour is a result of the physical state of this brain, then there is no room for the metaphysical to have any effect on the behaviour of a human.

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Post by siva7 »

pc_edwin wrote: post #23

I just don't understand how they can package all of this for $20/m. Is compute really that cheap at scale? I also wonder how Apple (& Google) is going be able to provide this for free? I would love to be fly in the meetings they have about this, imagine all the innovators dilemma like discussions they'd be forced to have (we have to do this vs this will eat up our margins). This might be a little out there but I thin…

It's not about generating profits. It's about being an existential threat to Google. MS will happily burn money.

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Post by bamboozled »

jocaal wrote: post #153
ChatGTP wrote: post #61

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I still don't understand how you can talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and just take it at face value? The other day I asked it about the place I live and it made up nonsense, I was trying to get it to help me with an essay and it was just wrong, it was telling me things about this region that weren't real. Do we just drive through a town, ask for a made up history about it and just be satisf…

> ...talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and... Ah yes, I dont understand how to talk to people either!

I always thought a better future would be full of more and more distilled, accurate, useful knowledge and truthful people to promote that.

Comments like yours make me think that no one cares about this...and judging by a lot of the other comments, I guess they don't.

Probably going to be people, wading through a sea of AI generated shit, and the individual is supposed to just forever "apply critical thinking" to it all. Even a call from ones spouse could be fake, and you'll just have to apply critical thinking or whatever to workout if you were scammed or not.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by stephencoyner »

The voice feature reminds of the “call Pi” feature from Inflection AIs chatbot Pi [1].

The ability to have a real time back and forth feels truly magical and allows for much denser conversation. It also opens up the opportunity for multiple people to talk to a chatbot at once which is fun

Where’s that Gemini Google?

[1] https://pi.ai/talk

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