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With all due respect, your inability to use marijuana responsibly should not make my responsible marijuana usage illegal.
Society does this all the time though realistically. If there is a 1:N chance of harm; and N is low, and we have no idea who will be harmed, we tend to regulate or make illegal. How many societies have legalized marijuana?
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Are you implying there are levels of cannabis use that are zero risk?
Prescription drugs carry a risk. Even water use has a risk. Everything has a risk. Should someone be stoned when performing serious tasks like driving, taking care of other humans, or working? No. Can cannabis be consumed safely when not taking care of these responsibilities? Probably.
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With all due respect, your inability to use marijuana responsibly should not make my responsible marijuana usage illegal.
With all due respect, I was a responsible user for the first year too. Good luck to you and I hope you never get addicted. Unlike alcohol addiction, which can come on fast, weed grabs a hold of you over a longer period. It starts out as only beneficial with little to no downside. You won't notice you're addicted until much later. Also, I find your decision to call the plant marijuana interesting. The names weed and p…
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I am a responsible user for more than ten years. You speak as if marijuana is highly addictive when in fact it is less addictive than coffee and easier to quit.
Seeing the diversity of opinions and experiences here I am inclined to believe there is an interaction between the genetics of the strain, and your own genetics that determine whether your particular habit become something which is addictive for you. This is highly fascinating, and opens the door towards in nuanced manipulation of marijuana plant genetics in order to create strains with the benefits, but without the…
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#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Society does this all the time though realistically. If there is a 1:N chance of harm; and N is low, and we have no idea who will be harmed, we tend to regulate or make illegal. How many societies have legalized marijuana?
How many societies would have made marijuana illegal had the US not done so first and then forced the rest of the world’s hand?
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#276A few months ago, we had a support group going at my clinic, with several patients with various diagnoses which are not directly discussed. We also had a presentation on sleep hygiene by a visiting psychiatrist. One of the newer support group members was openly promoting his love of smoking a joint and a cigarette and chilling out in the morning, and the psychiatrist said "cool, you do you!" Then the next week, the c…
It could also be the psychiatrist realizes it's bad but, being in a group probably filled with bad habits, has to pick which battles to fight.
She enjoys her drugs, of all kinds. She worked hard to connect with a psychiatrist who could both prescribe the sorts of drugs she's into, and also not shame her for the recreational drugs she does on the side. She pays out-of-pocket for the privilege.
It became apparent to me that she's not really into treatment of her condition or healing, or repairing her relationships with friends and family. She just seemed to be on a hedonistic journey of seeking pleasure.
So you can decriminalize and reschedule all the drugs you want, but people will self-medicate, and find dangerous uses. People who use illegal or OTC or alternative treatments will not always report those to their physician or pharmacy. Even if they do, all interactions are not known, but many dangerous ones can result from trying to put someone on psychotropics while they're under the influence of something else.
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Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. The tobacco companies said that there might be some set of factors that both caused lung disease, and caused smoking. As opposed to the alternate hypothesis that smoking caused lung disease. As is generally thought now, umbrellas do not cause rain but smoking does cause lung disease. Cannabis is federally illegal in…
> Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. They showed the link between smoking and cancer with a mountain of empirical evidence, including tests on mice. https://www.mskcc.org/news/how-do-cigarettes-cause-cancer > Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States Nobody cares anymore. > I'd highly advise you to consider only the known benefits of using c…
This really depends on the context. Note the various news articles currently going around that highlight the increased scrutiny Musk faced when he smoked weed publicly on a podcast. It’s still federally illegal and that can still come with very real consequences.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. The tobacco companies said that there might be some set of factors that both caused lung disease, and caused smoking. As opposed to the alternate hypothesis that smoking caused lung disease. As is generally thought now, umbrellas do not cause rain but smoking does cause lung disease. Cannabis is federally illegal in…
> Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States (the same way manufacturing machine guns without a license is for example), so if you live there don't use it. That's not even really true anymore. I live in Texas, which has virtually no legal weed (beyond medical marijuana for a very small number of specific conditions like epilepsy and ALS - it's not like other states where you can say "Hey doc, I've got a heada…
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I have. I worked inpatient psychiatry for ~6 years. All substances you consume have non-zero risk associated with them. Including seemingly benign things like milk. It's the job of every person to understand their body and to do a risk/reward analysis on anything you consume. For many, the benefits of THC/CBD/cannaboids outweigh the risks. > I would never engage in any activity that increases the likelihood of a perm…
I’m continuously, fascinated by how many commentators on HN are actually having a background in psychiatry and psychology. I took one or two psych classes in college, but I never got the feeling there was any overlap with tech really at all. probably things have changed now but—-This likely sounds dismissive of psychologist and psychiatrist with regards to technology and I’m sorry for that it’s not what I mean. I’m j…
I wasn't a psychologist or psychiatrist, I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Navy (medical, kind of like a nurse), I went to what is called "C" school for training in psychiatry, and worked on a few different in-patient psych wards. The closest civilian equivalent would be somewhere between a psych tech and a psychiatric nurse.
As for how I got into that - I sort of fell into it. I did terribly in highschool, and grew up in a small, rural town. I didn't have a lot of options, so I joined the Navy.
I did well on the entrance tests, so was able to qualify for any job I wanted. The recruiter told me the best jobs were nuke power and hospital corpsman, I went with HM thinking it would be easier to get a civilian job afterwards.
I did so well on the exams, I was guaranteed a C school, after boot camp my options were pharmacy or psychiatry. Counting pills didn't sound interesting to me, so here we are.
This was all in the 90s, I'd been writing software and messing around with making games since the late 80s. Suddenly, in the mid and late 90s, writing code became highly in-demand. I bought a laptop (very rare at the time) and spent nights on the ward while the patients were sleeping teaching myself C, C++, and Visual Basic. I started moonlighting on my off time, and was able to get a full time job within a week of getting out of the service.
Been doing it ever since.
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This is like the people who say that auto company lobbying is the cause of poor public transportation in America. Sure, that is a cause, but there are many other causes as well, and the other causes likely dominate the named cause. Framing it as the cause seems implausible and even cartoonish to me.
For cars, it’s actually even more cartoonish than that. Read The Power Broker; auto-centric urban planning is basically entirely the result of Robert Moses’ insane power and influence (in the same way that the reason everyone has smartphones is basically solely because of Steve Jobs).
A more plausible explanation is that there is an emergent phenomenon where the use of cars drastically reduced the degree of coordination required to develop usable residential property. People are generally lazy when they can be, and so future developers took the easy route of developing land without much regard for things like walkability, because they no longer strictly had to. Prior to cars, if a developer did this, they would not have sold the property. Cars dissolved a natural constraint on property development.