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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Post by adrr »

becquerel wrote: post #13
koolba wrote: post #2

> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…

Crazy that he chose to keep this secret for six decades. I wonder what possible reason he could have to bring it up now. Hmm, hmm, hmm.

He’s trying to sell a book.

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Post by Eisenstein »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #121
morby wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add to that. The author details how this new detail subsequently alters the version of events. Namely it suggests that the bullet that hit JFK in the back and hit Connally were two different bullets and that they could not have been fired at that rate (the rate suggested by the video evidence) with the weapon used by Oswald

In other words, there can only have been more than one shooter. Not just Oswald.

So the shooter was working with Oswald, or it was a coincidence? I'd like to know who would sign up for anything with Oswald -- probably the most unreliable and untethered person you would have been able to find in the SW USA at the time.

All of these conspiracy theories would die if those taking them seriously would just sit down and read the Warren report. If you can then find something specific in the evidence or conclusions that is wrong or illogical or seems like it was covered up in the report, please point it out.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Post by DANmode »

DANmode wrote: post #124
lapcat wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Probably if you're about to comment on this post, you've got some motivated reasoning behind it that has nothing to do with finding out what really happened. I'm not sure that's true in this case. I remember 9/11, but I wasn't even born yet when the Kennedy assassination happened. I doubt that many people under age 70 remember that personally. It doesn't really have emotional salience for most people now. For me, i…

> Even if there was a conspiracy to kill JFK He's dead, so...what?

Rewriting: "He's dead so: what?"

because obviously(?) there was someone conspiring to kill him.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Post by xyzelement »

dharmab wrote: post #127
pseingatl wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the opposite feeling. Looking from the window, to your left, a winding road. To your right, the freeway entrance. With a bolt action rifle, Oswald had to shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle, shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle and fire again. One of the Marine Corps' top snipers said, "I can't do it." If he can't, how could Os…

The Carcano M91/38 is a magazine fed rifle, it isn't manually reloaded. You can work the bolt while remaining on target. That's not a particularly hard thing to do, either- I was able to learn that skill the first afternoon I shot a magzine fed bolt action. EDIT: Here's a video of someone replicating the shots with that rifle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs The comments also point out other factors that…

Thank you for sharing this context and the video. It is also interesting anachronism to see Americans casually handling firearms with competence on a TV broadcast

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Post by Eisenstein »

ttctciyf wrote: post #113
Trombone12 wrote: post #3

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And how does that upend anything? That it fell out already in the car does not seem dramatically different from it falling out after shaking Kennedy a bit.

> how does that upend anything? If the story in the article is true, the bullet Landis found - i.e. the famous "magic bullet" - could not have wounded both Kennedy and Governor Connally and have been shot from the Book Depository (to Kennedy's rear) as the so-called single-bullet theory[0] requires, so it upends the Warren Commission's version of the assassination completely. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-b…

There is nothing magical about the bullet. The governor was sitting in front and to the right of Kennedy as you can see here:

* https://spacecoastdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/JFK-A...

look at the arms. Kennedy is resting his arm on the car frame and Connally cannot. The seat he is in is not lined up with where Kennedy is. The bullet needs no magic to go in a straight line.

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Post by cool_dude85 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #272
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, there can only have been more than one shooter. Not just Oswald.

So the shooter was working with Oswald, or it was a coincidence? I'd like to know who would sign up for anything with Oswald -- probably the most unreliable and untethered person you would have been able to find in the SW USA at the time. All of these conspiracy theories would die if those taking them seriously would just sit down and read the Warren report. If you can then find something specific in the evidence or…

One potential conclusion is Oswald as the patsy for the real assassin. So nobody was "working with him" except in the sense of wanting him to take the fall.

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Post by jcranmer »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #240
ianburrell wrote: post #213

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The magic bullet took a straight trajectory through Kennedy and Connolly. Modern theory is that they weren't seated in a straight line and Connolly was turned. Oswald could definitely have made the shots. He was a trained Marine marksman. There have been multiple tests showing that it is possible to make the shots. Kennedy had a small entry in back of the head. The explosion on top and side of head was not the entry…

But you can see from video evidence that they were sat aligned and Connolly was not turned. If you are in the room, you might be able to make the shots - although the FBI failed to, and Oswald was a lousy shot - but my main problem is that he could not have moved through the building as needed without being seen by some people, and not by others who did. The photos of Kennedy do not show a small wound in the back of…

> But you can see from video evidence that they were sat aligned and Connolly was not turned.

I just looked up the Zapruder film right now [1]. In the seconds before the fatal shot, you can clearly see Connolly turn around to face JFK (you can see the rotation of the shoulder pretty clearly as the car passes the road sign). At the moment of the fatal shot, he appears to be in the middle of turning back to his original position. Now I can't tell from the Zapruder film whether or not they were aligned or instead offset by several inches, but it is very clear that Connolly was not facing forward at the time of fatal shot.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJFT-OyDEc is the source I used.

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Post by Tmpod »

a2tech wrote: post #225

I used to be passingly interested in the conspiracy part of the JFK assassination until I watched this EXTENSIVE in length and sourced video on the assassination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY It's all very logical and straightforward.

Recently watched this detailed and well sourced video by LEMMiNO on a particular prespective, might be of interesting for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u7euN1HTuU

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Post by Eisenstein »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #240
ianburrell wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The magic bullet took a straight trajectory through Kennedy and Connolly. Modern theory is that they weren't seated in a straight line and Connolly was turned. Oswald could definitely have made the shots. He was a trained Marine marksman. There have been multiple tests showing that it is possible to make the shots. Kennedy had a small entry in back of the head. The explosion on top and side of head was not the entry…

But you can see from video evidence that they were sat aligned and Connolly was not turned. If you are in the room, you might be able to make the shots - although the FBI failed to, and Oswald was a lousy shot - but my main problem is that he could not have moved through the building as needed without being seen by some people, and not by others who did. The photos of Kennedy do not show a small wound in the back of…

What you are saying is that most people are able to deduce proper bullet trajectories through soft targets by watching a single section of film shot from a distance -- and that this ability is so good as to render all of the other evidence moot.

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Post by klyrs »

neaden wrote: post #128
pseingatl wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the opposite feeling. Looking from the window, to your left, a winding road. To your right, the freeway entrance. With a bolt action rifle, Oswald had to shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle, shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle and fire again. One of the Marine Corps' top snipers said, "I can't do it." If he can't, how could Os…

Who was the marine Corp top sniper who said they couldn't do it?

None other than Captain John Patrick Francis Mulcahy, I'm sure.
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