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New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by mft_ »

frumper wrote: post #254
mft_ wrote: post #208

Ah, more confirmation (bias) making me doubt the wisdom of ever buying a Tesla in the future. I had a Model 3 LR as a company car and really liked it - even being fine with most of the usual concerns or dislikes people share. I even like the brand (although I dislike most of Musk's other shenanigans over the past few years). I've since given the car back and am considering purchasing a BEV in the future. I've obvious…

That lottery extends to every other car maker/dealer. Lemon laws existed before Tesla for a reason. Dealerships put a bitter taste in peoples mouths for a reason.

I agree. However, with most other manufacturers there are options beyond the dealerships. In contrast, Tesla is notable for the lack of spare parts available to the public (making DIY repairs difficult) and a relative lack of third-party specialist garages.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by trogdor »

Obi_Juan_Kenobi wrote: post #266
trogdor wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you buy a Tesla, you agree to arbitrate all disputes with Tesla. Including Lemon Law claims.

They can write whatever they like; state law dictates how it actually proceeds. In my state, you must start with arbitration but you have zero obligation to accept that decision and can sue regardless of outcome.

I don't think that is true in the United States. The Federal Arbitration Act applies nationwide, and it explicitly preempts state law.

If you think that I am wrong, please explain why.

(You are right that you "can sue regardless of outcome," but only in the sense that anyone can sue anyone for anything. If you enter into an agreement to arbitrate disputes, the outcome of that arbitration is generally binding.)

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by misiti3780 »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #263
misiti3780 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Tesla cars were such POS, they wouldnt be growing 50% Q/o/Q. They have the most popular selling cars in multiple countries (Model Y). The news picks up on the .0001% of problems and those customers are always the loudest (understandably). For ever cracked front casking, there are tens of thousands of solid castings. Austin alone makes 5K Ys per week. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-giga-texas-5000-unit-weekly-...…

The article references a study by J.D. Power, which runs every year or so. Hardly newsworthy. > If Tesla cars were such POS, they wouldnt be growing 50% Q/o/Q. They have the most popular selling cars in multiple countries (Model Y). What kind of argument is this? Shake Shack is one of the fastest growing fast food chains, yet they sell crappy, unhealthy food. Xiaomi arguably makes phones that aren't as good as Samsun…

Shake Shack serves delicious food. No one with a reasonable understanding would visit expecting healthy food. Before criticizing them, try launching a burger joint in the highly competitive US market of 2023 and see if you can achieve the same growth as Shake Shack. It's a bit harder than creating a CRUD app.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by taftster »

res0nat0r wrote: post #209
Fatnino wrote: post #183

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Who is calling them MAGAmobiles? A MAGAmobile is a lifted truck that rolls coal and has a huge lets go brandon decal

Teslas are being called MAGAmobiles now that Musk bought Twitter and has shown his love for rightwing disinformation and keeps replying to and platforming alt-right racists and other neo-nazi adjacent folks.

I have this theory that Musk is just playing a long con and deep fake on all of us. He wasn't selling his cars to the likes of MAGA, so he jumped ship and switched sides to make Teslas look cool to the red consumers. The timing of the Cybertruck somewhat coincides with this flip.

So now, Teslas are cool according to those right fringe folks. Of course, the blue side consumers are not super excited about Tesla anymore, but they are already "stuck" with their models (in general). And the red consumers are a bit more likely (maybe?) to follow a fad.

Eventually, Musk will level out and Tesla Motors will just be a mediocre line of vehicles without too much political pop culture. But for now, he's basically playing with everyone to sway various opinions of himself and his companies (e.g. stroking his ego along the way).

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by gaze »

contingencies wrote: post #255
gaze wrote: post #172

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Any sort of defect like this should disqualify the product. It’s embarrassing and alarming that this casting wasn’t scrapped.

It seems they have no automated optical inspection (AOI) system. Why? Theories. (1) Manufacturing site footprint availability. AOI on large assemblies with high throughput requirements may be extremely spatially and temporally inefficient as the need to control lighting means a substantial facility footprint may be required. (2) manufacturing operation build time pressures (3) assessments and claims by the casting eq…

do you _really_ think this is a technical issue?

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by contingencies »

gaze wrote: post #275
contingencies wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems they have no automated optical inspection (AOI) system. Why? Theories. (1) Manufacturing site footprint availability. AOI on large assemblies with high throughput requirements may be extremely spatially and temporally inefficient as the need to control lighting means a substantial facility footprint may be required. (2) manufacturing operation build time pressures (3) assessments and claims by the casting eq…

do you _really_ think this is a technical issue?

No it's clearly an alien conspiracy. You're right.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by tamimio »

AlexandrB wrote: post #7

> The Tesla Files episode revealed that the BEV maker instructs its technicians always to provide feedback orally. Internal documents obtained by Handelsblatt stated: "Do not copy the report below into an email, text message, or leave it in a voicemail to the customer." I don't know how serious a crack in the front casting on a Tesla is, but this kind of policy is pretty egregious.

> but this kind of policy is pretty egregious.

I said it before, musk himself is a big con, so I am not shocked that’s a policy in there.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #267
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it sounded like the overall point was that, by avoiding retained communications, they could get away with something they otherwise would not be able to get away with, and should not be able to get away with (patenting something obvious) what sort of context could be added which exonerates that behavior? if the context exonerates it, why not have a policy of including context? if it's somehow benign, but cited out of…

It's a hell of a lot easier to not have to defend a statement made out of context than it is to do so. It's the same reason you should never, ever, under any circumstances answer any questions about anything at all coming from the police without your lawyer. Even if you are completely innocent, your words can be presented in such a manner as to call into question your honesty, at which point your rebuttal will be shr…

> If the cops accuse me of shooting someone in SF, but I was in Berkeley at the time, I might be tempted to tell them that. But then, when they produce a faulty eye-witness, who says they saw me in SF that evening, suddenly I need to discredit that witness in order to resolve my alibi.

you have an equal need to disprove the claims of a witness regardless of whether you have an alibi

additionally, regardless of whether there's a witness, all you need to do is prove you were in Berkeley to remove yourself as a suspect

so the two things (alibi, witness) seem orthogonal

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by smsm42 »

res0nat0r wrote: post #209
Fatnino wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is calling them MAGAmobiles? A MAGAmobile is a lifted truck that rolls coal and has a huge lets go brandon decal

Teslas are being called MAGAmobiles now that Musk bought Twitter and has shown his love for rightwing disinformation and keeps replying to and platforming alt-right racists and other neo-nazi adjacent folks.

Called by whom? Two dudes in Berkeley? Never heard anything like that.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by fingerlocks »

gwbas1c wrote: post #47

This is a slam-dunk for the typical American lemon law. The owner of the car should go out and find a lemon law lawyer. When I had to work with one I didn't have to pay a thing. (I had a Subaru where the GPS / Stereo would reboot while I drove and loose its settings. After a bunch of replacements, the car still had the problem. I had to catch it on video, though. Subaru ended up declaring the car a lemon after trying…

> I had a Subaru where the GPS / Stereo would reboot while I drove and loose its settings.

I had this same problem and it was solved with a firmware update. I wonder if that came later?

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