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A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Yeah but I'd bet the one we see in the video is probably still working, while I'm on my third fridge in 20 years. I think that negates any energy efficiency gains

I’ve had 8 fridges in 22 years, up until my latest I’ve they were all from this supposedly better age. All failed, in some cases disastrously. The only one that’s survived longer than a few years for me ? The new one. Going 6 years strong. Not everything on my new one is perfect—I managed to break the built in water jug—but I feel a lot of the replies here need to take into account survivorship bias.

... Huh. Was this from a range of manufacturers? That seems like an astonishingly high failure rate. Anything funny about your electricity supply?

EDIT: Ah, misunderstood.

> all from this supposedly better age

is in reference to _old_ fridges; I'd read it as being a complaint about _new_ fridges. All these failures were old fridges.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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> You only buy new when the old one breaks down right? In my experience it's half and half. Sometimes people have a nice old reliable fridge that just looks ugly and dated to their tastes, so they upgrade. Same with older energy inefficient fridges.

I used to deliver and install appliances. My experience is approximately the same as yours. About half the time the old fridge broke, the other half is for upgrades or something when the old fridge still works. Or because the easily replaceable and still working fan makes some noises sometimes. That fridge is now in my kitchen.

It's amazing what working stuff people will throw out simply because it's out of fashion, or failed in some easily repairable way. You can outfit an entire house with furniture, appliances, and electronics from the dumpster outside of a vain/impatient person's apartment.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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This is it - high quality stuff is often still made, but it's expensive and/or has other downsides that you really do need to be aware of. For example, commercial equipment is often bullet-proof and long-lived, but it can be louder than you'd want in a home kitchen. Commercial dish washers have no noise insulation, get hot, but can wash dishes so fast they can crack them from the temperature changes. Commercial ovens…

> Commercial ovens have no or minimal heat insulation This seems counter intuitive to me. Why would I not want more insulation in an oven that's going to be used a lot more? Seems like the cost of the insulation would be amortized more quickly than in a home kitchen, since a commercial oven is presumably being used a lot more?

Every order you open the oven up twice or so. Insulation probably doesn't matter if the door is open 20% of the time.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Why doesn't everyone have old fridges then? You only buy new when the old one breaks down right? But if the old ones were so sturdy why were they all replaced? I expect there's some survivorship bias at play here.

> You only buy new when the old one breaks down right? Are you kidding? You must not live in the US. People buy new phones despite the old one working. My phone is almost 6 years old. No one I know keeps phones around that long. Becoming rare to see anyone keep one for even 4 years. I lived on cheap, used furniture. There's a glut of it, because people buy new furniture despite their old ones being just fine.[1] Peop…

... Why do you think this is going to be special to the US?

Do you think other cultures don't have consumerism? (they do). Or maybe other countries have old stuff more often?

I like cheap, used furniture. But I also understand that furniture wears out. I've had legs break, arms split, cushions lose comfort. Beds get lumpy. Finishes wear off. Drawers come apart and dovetail joints break. Some of it becomes unreliable or unsuited for daily use. Fine, keep your linens in that old dresser, but using it daily will hasten its end - that one drawer is barely together, after all.

Not to mention that some of these things are just not usable in modern society. An old desk might be pretty, but it wasn't designed with a computer in mind. Good luck fitting your great-grandmother's dining room table in your small dining room. It was made for 8, and you have a family of three. Beds with a metal boxspring built into the frame aren't as comfortable to sleep on as you might imagine and can be quite squeaky. Some old furniture just won't fit in your abode either - and boy, oh boy is some of it absolutely filthy.

Sometimes you can fix this stuff, if you have the time and space and equipment to do so. Many folks don't.

And of course lots of folks replace cars. In most places in the US, you can't survive without a vehicle. A vehicle that breaks down is a vehicle that can get you fired. It is much easier to keep up with an older car if you don't have to rely on it. And again, you still have issues with having to be able to have the time, space, and tools to work on it - and you might need to have enough strength.

And so on.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Why does everyone keep their veggies in the fridge, do you buy them in bulk? Basic veggies like onions, tomatoes, cucumber I eat fast enough to just keep on shelves and in regular rotation, and all more special plants are anyway bought for a certain meal in mind so they're used within a day or two. My fridge does have a veggie section but I use that for beer.

That assumes you go shopping every couple of days.

Yeah, I think both the "why would anyone put vegetables in a fridge" stance and the "how could anyone not put vegetables in a fridge" stance are probably mostly based on lifestyle factors. I walk past two supermarkets plus a greengrocers on my way home from work, so I don't think I've ever put a vegetable in my fridge. But I know people who live in rural areas and go to a supermarket once a week or less frequently.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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Why would I want this fridge??

Why is the ice ejector in the cold space at all? That should be a countertop tool, it's just wasting space.

Slide-out shelves increase the chance of knocking things off and they're almost certainly not adjustable.

I see *one* good feature--everything in the door has covers which means it doesn't warm up as much when you open the door. I'd like to see that in the whole fridge--everything is behind doors to minimize air spill and make it clear exactly where the load limit is.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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My girlfriend's mom has a teaching oven (used in home economics classes) from the 1950s. The 'teaching' part mostly means it has a more accurate and detailed temperature gauge. This gas oven is so heavy that light in the kitchen gravitationally lenses around it, but it's still going strong and the best oven I ever used.

I have a Sunbeam Radiant Control toaster that still works flawlessly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1OfxlSG6q5Y They used a shielded bimetalic thermostat to measure the radiant heat coming from the toast surface , instead of a timer, to establish doneness (consistently toasting despite heating element variance) and implemented the mechanical lowering & raising of toast without a single motor (which is why 60+ year ol…

I've lived with two of these (at home growing up, and later via a roommate) and I hated both of them.

The toast slot is too narrow. You can't heat a bagel - well, technically you can force it in there, but it won't come back out with some help from a utensil.

They get flakey and you end up bouncing the toast a dozen times to get it to lower. Yes, I know there's an adjustment, but it's finicky and annoying. It's a toaster for crying out loud.

Yes, the design is ingenious, but there's a good reason they aren't made anymore.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

#278

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Yeah but I'd bet the one we see in the video is probably still working, while I'm on my third fridge in 20 years. I think that negates any energy efficiency gains

Why doesn't everyone have old fridges then? You only buy new when the old one breaks down right? But if the old ones were so sturdy why were they all replaced? I expect there's some survivorship bias at play here.

Because they leak coolant. And turns out the old coolants destroy the ozone layer.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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This reminds me of the same types of complaints around air travel now versus the 50s/60s. Both ignore the relative costs and the fact that you can still buy high-end fridges or first class tickets if you are willing to spend the same amount of money that you would have had to back then.

> you can still buy high-end fridges or first class tickets if you are willing to spend the same amount Can you, though? Or has the maker of that high-end $1500 fridge been brought out by the maker of $500 fridges? Are the two brands made in the same factory, to the same quality standards, while the owners laugh at those chumps who are paying 3x the price just to have a different sticker on the front? I've brought hi…

This is, of course, why you should always investigate the corporate structure of your appliance makers. There certainly are high-end, or at least highish-end brands in that camp, but it's not all of them.

Re: A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the fridge I own now

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I’ve had 8 fridges in 22 years, up until my latest I’ve they were all from this supposedly better age. All failed, in some cases disastrously. The only one that’s survived longer than a few years for me ? The new one. Going 6 years strong. Not everything on my new one is perfect—I managed to break the built in water jug—but I feel a lot of the replies here need to take into account survivorship bias.

So you needed to replace 7 fridges in 16 years? You’re either a crazy statistical outlier or doing something very very wrong. Something seriously wrong with your houses electrical supply is the obvious explanation but it’s far from the only possibility.

That's sometimes what happens when you buy used stuff, especially appliances.

You might get something that lasts for a few years. It might last 8 months.

It might have roaches, too.

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