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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by palata »

Glawen wrote: post #206
palata wrote: post #177

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I don't know about Scottish-English and Irish-English, to be honest. Would an English native understand them? Germans don't understand Swiss-German, and Swiss-Germans don't consider German as their mother tongue. Whereas the French being spoken on the French part of Switzerland is slightly different from the French from France, but people still consider that French is their mother tongue. Not sure if that answers you…

I learnt German in Germany, and I understand the Swiss. When you are waiting 4h to cross the gottard tunnel, you have plenty of time to listen to the radio. It is hard to understand just like any dialect when you are not used to it, but I would not call it a different language. It is very unlike a French hearing Italian even though it is the same Latin root and words look the same on paper, grammatically it is very d…

> and I understand the Swiss

Apparently not enough to learn that nobody in Switzerland would ever call that "the Swiss"? There is not even "one Swiss-German".

> grammatically it is very different.

In your 4h in the Gotthard tunnel, did you get to see how Swiss-German is written differently than German? Also the grammar is fairly different.

But yeah those are dialects, nobody said they weren't. I just said "they don't speak German, but Swiss-German" (more as a "fun fact" than trying to be pedantic), and they would definitely correct you if you said it is the same. Whereas a Suisse Romand (the French speaking Swiss) will tell you that they speak French, just like a French-Canadian from Quebec.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by palata »

walthamstow wrote: post #181
palata wrote: post #177

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I don't know about Scottish-English and Irish-English, to be honest. Would an English native understand them? Germans don't understand Swiss-German, and Swiss-Germans don't consider German as their mother tongue. Whereas the French being spoken on the French part of Switzerland is slightly different from the French from France, but people still consider that French is their mother tongue. Not sure if that answers you…

> Would an English native understand them? Depends where in Scotland and how much they've had to drink. On a serious note, words like ken, bairn, breekies, stramash are not that well understood by English people. But it's unlikely a Scot would use them when talking to an Englishman.

Right. But is it then that a Scot would just not use some local words, but still speak in their language?

That's different with Swiss-German. If a Swiss-German person talks to you in German, then they are not talking in their language.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by palata »

ekianjo wrote: post #195
Glawen wrote: post #165

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So in Scotland they speak Scottish-English? Irish-english in Ireland? What's your proficiency in these languages ?

Just like Quebecois is not really French

Hmm, I would still say that Quebecois is French, but with some (maybe many) local words. Swiss-German is really a dialect (actually multiple dialects).

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by jraph »

robertlagrant wrote: post #213
jraph wrote: post #126

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You can look things up when you need something, you don't need to wait for an ad to annoy you to discover something. What's more, usually, you hear ads for big players, not the small ones, which are often the most interesting. In particular, hearing about NordVPN every other video is not necessary.

Look things up where?

On the internet with a search engine, on a map, etc. Or ask friends / family, actually.

That's what I do when I need something I don't know where to find. Before the internet you had the yellow pages, I guess, and word of mouth.

In any case, I'm pretty sure I never ever ever heard or saw an ad that made be discover something I was interested in.

I don't want to allocate any time during which I passively listen or watch ads in the hope it will lead to some epiphany.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by skydhash »

robertlagrant wrote: post #263
skydhash wrote: post #243

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> That's the theoretical response. In practice: how would I sell my car without ads? You make an announcement that you have a car to sell. Maybe provide some details. I don't think people mind announcement. They mind the intrusion and manipulation. So, I don't mind seeing in the paper that someone has a car to sell. But I absolutely hate when I'm forced to watch that you have the most beautiful car when I'm just load…

What you call an announcement with details about something you're selling?

Still an announcement. But if the goal is to promote, then it’s an advertisment. There’s a difference between making known that there’s something to buy and enticing people to buy something. It may be the way to do business (because competition) but that does not means I should subject myself to it, especially its current form.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by mcpackieh »

robertlagrant wrote: post #210
t0bia_s wrote: post #130

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And that is a huge part of problem with sustainability and magnification of problems that would otherwise stay local. PFAS, microplastics, pollution... It's all consequence of overproduction of useless things that are consumed by society manipulated by ads. The product is "ad" itself if it is good. If not, you need extra advertisements. For me it is immoral to consume ads.

I think this is a category error. Those bad things aren't driven by ads. Ads drive economies of scale possible if people have heard of your product without word of mouth, which lower prices and help producers understand what people want. Productiveness will sometimes drive things like microplastics, as it's hard to know the effects of doing something new without doing that thing. That's the theoretical response. In p…

Announce your car sale in a catalogue of local cars for sale. Ads in catalogues are tolerable because only people desiring to see ads will pick up such a catalogue. Ads placed in places intended to be visible to people who aren't specifically trying to look for ads are the problem. Those ads which try to force themselves on people have an inherently adversarial relationship with people, and therefore we're under no moral obligation to tolerate it. People who make it their business to advertise in that manner are absolute gutter scum.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by DropInIn »

DropInIn wrote: post #118
p-e-w wrote: post #102

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The only countries where American law is irrelevant are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. Go anywhere else, and on closer examination you'll find that American law is in fact very relevant, with local governments often bending over backwards to accommodate US legal provisions. Copyright, financial regulation, and international travel are some of the areas where this is usually apparent, but far from the only ones…

Reciprocity is the term in play

Folks.... It's literally called a Reciprocity Agreement.... Most developed nations have them with each other... It's how we can make sure murderers and other criminals can't just run across borders to escape justice....

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

kmeisthax wrote: post #231
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #172

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> But if you distribute a DVD decryption tool, then you're harming the protection of copyrighted DVDs, so you can't distribute a decryption tool even though some jackass might try to functionally recopyright public domain material with DVD CSS. I don't think you're appreciating how crazy that is. Suppose some implements a DRM system that works like this. They have a server that speaks ordinary HTTPS and has a standar…

DMCA 1201 has a knowledge requirement, so in the first example, someone just viewing the website normally has no knowledge of the DRM and thus isn't circumventing anything. However, if they had known of the proprietary client beforehand and used a regular web browser to circumvent the DRM, then that would violate DMCA 1201's anti-circumvention provisions. However, keep in mind that anti-circumvention is the sane half…

> For various economic reasons in screw manufacturing, this is highly unlikely to ever exist.

Did pentalobe screws even exist before Apple started using them? They certainly didn't have a large installed base of manufacturing capacity.

> Either your DRM system has to have special screws that only that particular device uses

But isn't that the core of the issue? You have your special screws for your DRM system. Bob comes along and starts using them on his bicycles to try to force people to have them repaired at the dealer. Can Alice sell special screw drivers? If not, what happened to "that only that particular device uses"? If so, anyone can distribute circumvention tools as soon as a third party uses the same DRM system for something else.

And do you see what I mean by First Amendment issues? We're having a policy discussion, the core of protected speech, and yet:

> I'm pretty sure just mentioning this is committing one of my three felonies for the day.

How do you have a discussion about the effectiveness of a censorship law if describing the facts of its application is illegal?

Suppose the security vendor of the ransomware decryptor wants to make customers aware of its potentially precarious legal status, and then has to explain why.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by Gareth321 »

varispeed wrote: post #227
Gareth321 wrote: post #182

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> Search for far-right content if search engine is US-based (suggestions please) I use a similar litmus test. I search for the website for the Proud Boys. Google doesn't just censor it. They place obviously hand-curated results critical of the movement on the first page. Bing is the same. DuckDuckGo also fails the test. Kagi and Yandex both pass this test. Google fails almost every one of these tests.

Just because Yandex passes the test, doesn't mean the can be relied upon. Remember, because they are Russian, it is in their interest to show you content that US corporations censor, but they may be censoring the content that Russia wants to be censored or manipulate it for the benefit of Russian propaganda. What I am trying to say is that it is probably better to get information from many sources as every can be bia…

You are absolutely right. I’m certainly not claiming Yandex passes these tests either. They’re clearly guilty of censoring content critical of Russia. So far only Kagi has passed all my tests.

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Post by t0bia_s »

robertlagrant wrote: post #267
t0bia_s wrote: post #226

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I should specify "corporate product advertisement". Also... You advert a selling of product that is already made and used. I tough about those silly ads for new kind of electronics, cars, junk food, etc. Btw, why are you selling your car? - ...help producers understand what people want. You always need what you don't have and others do. Do you?

> Also... You advert a selling of product that is already made and used. So no one should know about new products for sale, only second hand ones? > You always need what you don't have and others do. Do you? I'm selling it because it doesn't have 7 seats for when we have overseas relatives who can't afford to rent a car when they visit, and its diesel engine is not necessary for my much-reduced weekly mileage. Assumi…

- So no one should know about new products for sale, only second hand ones?

No, I mean advertisement that is made primary for profit and selling things that would otherwise shouldn't be sold. Promoting weak products.

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