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32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by throaway920181 »

konschubert wrote: post #36
alexandernl wrote: post #2

I'm a news junkie, and the power and allure of a newspaper's front page have always fascinated me. When I stumbled upon an article written by a Google engineer who had built an e ink device with the front page of his favorite daily newspaper prominently displayed on his wall, I was a bit jealous. So, I worked with a e-ink company called Visionect in Slovenia to build a version that comes shipped ready to put on your…

I make a similar product, with a smaller screen and at a lower price point. It’s very cool what you have done, let’s maybe collaborate or join forces? My product is an e-paper calendar: https://shop.invisible-computers.com/products/invisible-cale...

Very much want (especially at that price point.) I've signed up to be notified!

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by konart »

Pyramus wrote: post #44
konart wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on country we are talking about.

Okay, then please propose a concrete example with costs of labor, premium for print subscription etc. Happy to be proven wrong, but USD 2500 seems unrealistic.

Someone already used India as an example.

With millions of people living in conditions where even safe drinkable water is not something you are guaranteed to get - 250$/year equivalent seems wild.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by michaelmrose »

redroyal wrote: post #246
michaelmrose wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why doesn't it have a way to directly push an image to the screen like a $30 router from worst buy? It looks like the software to push an image to a display can be run on your own device but then you need an $80 box and if I read this right you need to pay $72 a year forever. https://www.visionect.com/software/

Well if you’re sold on paying 2000 euro for the display it’s a drop in the bucket. Who reads newspapers in 2023 anyway? Why not just get a subscription to a newspaper for like $50/yr? Then you can sit and read it instead of standing facing a wall. I don’t get this product. A solution in need of a problem

If you or some future buyer want to keep it for 20 years and want to run your own hardware to deal with it you will probably end up sourcing at least 2 single board computers for around $160 and paying $72x20 adjusted up for inflation or 1440-2160. You will spend at least 30 minutes picking out a machine and some number of hours over the years managing each machine.

This is of course assuming it doesn't actually stop working or some aspect of the process isn't broken.

All this so you can run a docker container with postgres instead of pushing an image to an endpoint on the local network. It's both bad and unimpressive engineering.

Furthermore if it did need central management for business purpose THAT would be something that consumes the same simple process for showing something on the screen.

=> posts image => shows image

This would trivially allow you to build on the simple process if that is all you need. It's not so much bad engineering as gross engineering its engineered to be complicated to they can insert themselves into the process to stick their hand in your wallet.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by konschubert »

throaway920181 wrote: post #271
konschubert wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I make a similar product, with a smaller screen and at a lower price point. It’s very cool what you have done, let’s maybe collaborate or join forces? My product is an e-paper calendar: https://shop.invisible-computers.com/products/invisible-cale...

Very much want (especially at that price point.) I've signed up to be notified!

Thank you for your comment, it made me notice that I sold out. I just added some more inventory, but it may take a little bit longer to ship than usual, because I still need to assemble those units...

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by westurner »

Qwertious wrote: post #253
smolder wrote: post #218

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> Why do larger e-ink screens cost more to produce? Last I knew the bulk of cost for e-ink displays was just due to the patent holders decision to charge a lot, which is disappointing, but can't go on that much longer...

This is a myth that people keep repeating. E-ink prices have very little to do with patents. E-ink displays are more expensive because they are utterly niche compared to LCD screens (there are over 6 billion smartphone users in the world right now, and plenty of people own a smartphone, laptop, desktop, TV, tablet, smartwatch, then use a computer at work, interact with a self-checkout kiosk at the supermarket, etc).…

Volume, Demand, IP, power utilization per real second

FWIU non-e-eink flexible display tech has advanced considerably.

Maybe there still is a market for huge broadsheet e-ink newspaper devices? How many flexible broadsheets of display would approximate the ux of a real newspaper?

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by kian »

jayvoordemensen wrote: post #155
hau wrote: post #78

This screen comes with a subscription based cloud CMS. The only way to pass image to this display semms to be through a proprietary application which is this so called CMS. There are no other connectivity options mentioned. You are unable to use this screen if: - subscription is not paid - company decides to terminate your subscription under any condition of your contract - company decides to sunset software or a pro…

Hey! It's Jay, I'm a journalist and developer and I've done most of the work on the front and backend of Project E Ink. Happy to answer your questions! So what we've done: we're indeed running our own Visionect servers these devices connect to. We've build a friendly and news-centered frontend so the display shows news, updates on new editions (or a user-set timeframe), or forgets about newspapers altogether and disp…

Is there an email I can reach you at about something related?

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by kian »

alexandernl wrote: post #2

I'm a news junkie, and the power and allure of a newspaper's front page have always fascinated me. When I stumbled upon an article written by a Google engineer who had built an e ink device with the front page of his favorite daily newspaper prominently displayed on his wall, I was a bit jealous. So, I worked with a e-ink company called Visionect in Slovenia to build a version that comes shipped ready to put on your…

Is there a way to reach out to you?

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by dbttdft »

>The Place & Play 32-inch screen is pricey (2300 euros ex VAT), but an exquisite piece of hardware. It is made of stainless steel with sharp edges and a glass panel on top. The USB ports are discretely concealed, and the device feels sturdy.

Thank you for confirming my first impression which is that this is just a massively overpriced novelty item (which I concluded when seeing how much work was put into the video after skipping over the content-free article, and especially noticing the high level of moire meaning it must be very low DPI but for some reason the word resolution is not mentioned anywhere on the page lol).

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by dbttdft »

gcanyon wrote: post #222

Are (large) e-ink displays expensive because of lack of scale in manufacturing? Or is there something inherently expensive about them? This display is literally almost ten times the cost of a generic 4K monitor, which has color, a higher resolution, and a 60 hertz refresh rate. The only advantage here is the reflective display and the ultra-low power consumption. I'm not saying that there aren't use cases where those…

To be fair it will have a good viewing angle even better than IPS as well as not shining a flashlight in your face with a terrible spectral power distribution but I don't expect a real analysis by someone who compares 2 watt power savings as if this is the bottleneck of display tech or anything close to it.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Post by dirtyid »

fmajid wrote: post #232
eli wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chatted with the guy from Visionect about this once and he said that it was basically all about scale. There is massive demand for the panels that go in those generic LED monitors and many huge factories dedicated to making them. The eink display looks gorgeous, by the way. But it's not a computer monitor and doesn't claim to be.

You'd think there would be a large market for signage, and the process for manufacturing electrophoretic e-ink screens isn't that different from web printing (rotary presses), which is both mature and scalable (in size).

I think eink does not perfrom well in freezing temperatures which removes a lot of large format addressable signage market. Otherwise I'd expect economics to drive cheaper large format eink screens
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