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Post by once_inc »

grimgoldgo wrote: post #136
once_inc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bullshit. Bringing someone from outside a business to a conversation that "slightly livetweets" what is being said is totally not acceptable. I invite you to bring an outside party to your next business meeting, standup or all hands meeting and have them "slightly livetweet" it. You will find the door before the meeting ends. Businesses have every right to some level of obscurity on what happens internally. There is…

Those meetings are not disciplinary meetings where your performance is being discussed. Everything in a disciplinary meeting is workplace conditions, full stop. And if hr disagreed, they could have asked the guest to leave.

How does it being a disciplinary meeting effect the validity of bringing in an external party that isn't professionally tied to any party and which "slightly livetweets" events to the general public?

Were they not livetweeting: fine, you can bring a family member or friend to these meetings.

But they were.

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Post by once_inc »

irjustin wrote: post #249
grimgoldgo wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She wasn't live tweeting her hr warning, her witness was. (Who was likely not a participant in the conversation).

To me, that's just as bad. Someone you brought in is doing something disrespectful and indicative of the central problem to the conversation. If you come to my house and draw on my walls - I ask you to stop and let's have a conversation about it, so you bring a friend who starts drawing on my walls while we're talking about you drawing on my walls. You've lost all goodwill that I was willing to extend to you.

To me, that is even worse.

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Post by Osmose »

Gareth321 wrote: post #152
camillomiller wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you realize you are all reinforcing that business must come always first before personal expression? It is factual that one person was touting instruments of war, but by most comments here that’s seen as “the right” because it’s representing “business”. What you’re all saying implicitly is that the rights of a corporate employer to make money are always above the freedom to personal expression, by contract, by law…

> Do you realize you are all reinforcing that business must come always first before personal expression? But it must. If an employer at Starbucks signs off every order with “Heil Hitler,” we should expect them to be fired. Companies don’t have to afford employees free speech when they are on company time.

There already are protected forms of speech in the workplace, including discussion of workplace safety, unionizing, as well as speaking out against harassment and discrimination. And the NLRB has already ruled that some of those are protected even when made on social media, even if it's alongside profainty[1].

Perhaps criticism of the government or government representatives should be added to the list?

[1] National Labor Relations Board v. Pier Sixty, LLC, 855 F.3d 115 (2d Cir. 2017)., via the second footnote on https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/first-amendment-rights-at-...

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Post by janejeon »

bitwize wrote: post #145
wiseowise wrote: post #111

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What’s your point?

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> The pony IS her authentic self

As a trans woman, I will pitch in and say this kind of stuff (from fringes of trans/queer community) is why we get hate crimed.

There's medical basis (decades of research and literature) for asserting that one's gender does not match their biological sex. There's not a DSM V criteria for being a pony.

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Post by npteljes »

jossclimb wrote: post #70
constantly wrote: post #4

I would have fired this person as soon as humanly possible for basically (actually) telling customers of the company to go F themselves, and making horribly insensitive and inappropriate jokes at their expense. imho the point of this article seems to be to tell the story where big bad VMWare or the target of VMWare’s employee’s ire stomped on poor VMWare employee, but I think it makes the employee look bad. I would a…

Engineers with unicorn / my little pony avatars is a slight red flag to me. I am as socialist as they come (I am not even American, I am Brit and a left wing), but I always try to not engage with those folks on twitter, to easy to get caught up in personal attacks if anything you say is remotely misunderstood. It can quite easily turn into a digital lynching.

My impression is that a large number of toxic people, or outright grifters, join them. In a way that a protest has a bunch of people who don't care as much about the cause, as they just want to fuck shit up. I genuinely find value in many of such groups' original ideas, but it's impossible to separate them from what they have turned into, especially when speaking about them to other people.

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Post by SergeAx »

bbor wrote: post #223
oefrha wrote: post #38

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All the fist bumps and cheers in these social media echo chambers won’t help them reflect. Unlike the OP who casually tagged some tech guy on Twitter and said “I’d shake your hand but the blood never washes off” (what the actual fuck), reasonable people won’t engage them on social media and tell them how incredibly toxic they are.

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Right now the US military tech, created with k8s among other components, is used by Ukrainian army to fight Putin invasion. Where this fact sits on your (im)morality scale?

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Post by matheusmoreira »

camillomiller wrote: post #77
King-Aaron wrote: post #18

> Being as I’m not an idiot Well, I'm afraid to say after reading this, I have to disagree. Common sense would have made me consider not posting an inflammatory tweet like that, to be perfectly honest.

Do you realize you are all reinforcing that business must come always first before personal expression? It is factual that one person was touting instruments of war, but by most comments here that’s seen as “the right” because it’s representing “business”. What you’re all saying implicitly is that the rights of a corporate employer to make money are always above the freedom to personal expression, by contract, by law…

> What you’re all saying implicitly is that the rights of a corporate employer to make money are always above the freedom to personal expression

Rather, it's the right to freely associate yourself with whoever you want. Not above freedom of expression but certainly not below either.

I wouldn't want to associate with certain people because of what they say and do. There are people who wouldn't want to associate with me either. This is fine. It gets a bit duplicitous when money and power are involved but that's to be expected.

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Post by galkk »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #127
galkk wrote: post #110

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It was literally written in 2nd sentence of the post I was attending KubeCon on behalf of my then-employer, VMware.

Right, but does it follow that "attending on behalf of" equates to "representing the company's official views and opinions"? I guess what I'm really asking is whether an outside observer would genuinely assume her tweets were indicative of VMware's official stances on anything, or whether they'd assume she was just one cog in their employee machine. Or maybe it's somewhere in the middle.

https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+on+behalf+of

> Definitions from Oxford Languages

on behalf of

phrase of behalf

    1. in the interests of (a person, group, or principle). 
    "votes cast by labor unions on behalf of their members". 
     Similar: as a representative of, as a spokesperson for, for, in the name of, in place of, appearing for, representing, in the interests of

    2. as a representative of. "he had to attend the funeral on Mama's behalf"

    3. on the part of; done by. "this wasn't simply a philanthropic gesture on his behalf"
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