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European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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The tradeoff for sealed batteries was significantly improved ingress protection, larger charge capacity, and lighter weight. The market spoke and nobody seems to really care that much about user replaceable batteries except a vocal minority.

CAT has sold phones with replaceable batteries and good ingress protection.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Societies get to choose how they will live, and technology has a huge impact on how we live, so the EU is within it's rights to make these laws.

If Apple doesn't like it, they can piss off back to California and give up 250 million iPhone users to Android.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Kyocera has been doing it for years.

https://fdn2.mobgsm.com/vv/pics/kyocera/kyocera-duraforce-pr... I don't want my phone to look like that by law.

Only actual people who must have an IP68 battery replaceable phones are that kind of people. Others just go for an iPhone and just pays for shop replacements few years later.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Pretty sure the iPhone 14 already satisfies this requirement

Only the 14 though IIRC. The 14 Pro is just like the old ones and is one the most complex phones to perform a repair on.

Correct. The 14 regular has the new design, CAD leaks indicate the 15 Pro will get it too.

Two screws and a plunger get you access to both an easily replaceable screen and the battery. Really is an astonishing design.

https://www.ifixit.com/News/64865/iphone-14-teardown

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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The problem is not really the battery anymore, it's the software mainly. It's all closed source and is often deprecated before the hardware is dead. Then the manufacturer makes it hard to unlock bootloaders; keeps drivers closed source and effectively bricks the device. For recurring sales are the backbone of modern economy so we must force obsolescence. Why would you want to replace a battery in a useless device? Pl…

That's a very worthwhile point but one about a different issue. Consider also the possibility that if my device has been bricked but the battery is still doing OK, I might wish to use it in a different device.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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> Please, EU: bring a law that forces manufacturers to release their drivers / firmware whenever they stop updating a digital device. I wish I could upvote this more. It's a crime how I had to throw away in the past perfectly usable devices because they were forced into obsolescence.

I don't see how this would work given modern supply chains. It can be extremely difficult to track down all of the owners of a particular IP and when you do, many of them may not even exist any longer making it near impossible to get any sort of permission to do something like this.

Easily fixed by assuming that if an IP owner no longer exists or cannot be find, their ownership interest may be reasonably presumed to have expired. It's only hard because people insist on keeping it that way.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Used iPhone XSs are selling for <2/3 the price of new old stock (NOS). Why did you shift from one item to the other in the middle of your comment?

at the same price, i'd rather have new old stock than one that's been through god-knows-what plus open heart surgery. not sure where you're getting your prices, but it doesn't matter. the fact that this is even a point of contention indicates that swappable batteries would make a difference.

Where can you get new old stock for the same price as used?

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Huh, really? I use my cell phone in the rain, I use my cell phone in the shower. I drop it in the mud and rinse it off in the sink. Waterproof is a top-tier feature, right up there with "not exploding the screen into a thousand shards when I drop it".

Well, when I shower I shower, I'm not distracted by a phone, and few drops of water under the rain have never done anything to any of my phones. Might be a top-tier feature for you, but it never made any difference to me.

I'm around pools and spas a good bit and like having my phone near me to do stuff like control music and be able to respond to events without needing to get out of the water. Pools have killed quite a few of my devices in the past. Just the other day I tripped while working around the pool and fell in (quite dangerous, for sure) and I had my phone in my pocket. If it wasn't waterproof, I'd be out a few hundred bucks from that accident.

I also like to go hiking and camping a good bit. I've lost a few electronic devices from getting caught in a storm. Its nice having the peace of mind that it doesn't matter if I get completely soaked with my phone in my pocket.

Finally, I have kids, and they're of the stage where its fun to throw things in toilets and in sinks.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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If the owners/companies no longer exist, then I would think the IP should be free by default. Perhaps that's another law to work on...

In 2010 you start a company, wholly owned by you. In 2011 you obtain a patent wholly owned by the company. In 2012 you fail to pay the franchise tax and filing paperwork for your company so the state dissolves it. You don't care because you aren't making money. In 2013 another company starts making a product that infringes on your patent. You are the defacto owner of the patent. This is because you were the owner of…

Tough luck. If it's that important, register your ownership interest somewhere and keep that property claim alive by renewing it once every few years for a nominal fee. Property rights are not so important that the world should stop turning if a property owner has retired to a cave without leaving any forwarding address.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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> I don't think replaceable batteries or USB-C requirements restrict the industries ability to move forward. These ultra thin foldable phones probably couldn’t exist with removable batteries. The thinness required to make it comfortable to use would be hard and so would the structural integrity with a removable backplate. It would absolutely restrict durability since it’d make waterproof and dustproofing way more cha…

> Removable backs would limit wireless charging hardware like apples MagSafe (which is great!). I had a phone with a removable back and wireless charging back in 2012. This isn't rocket science.

I had a Palm Pre in 2010 with a removable battery and wireless charging.
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