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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by brokenmachine »

smoldesu wrote: post #171
pier25 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

I believe it. They could also update Live to support the Tesla Model X, since it has an x86 Linux computer inside too. It's a lot of work though. And the pay sucks, especially on iPad/iOS where Apple refuses to let you make a profit without letting them take a bite. On MacOS it's a sustainable practice, but unless Apple changes something architecturally I wouldn't anticipate Live coming to iOS anytime soon. At least…

>Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally.

By the grace of the flying spaghetti monster, please let this be true... Ableton is the last program stopping me from leaving Windows behind.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #230
coldtea wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.

Those VSTs won’t run on a push 3 either. Of course ableton comes with a pretty good array of instruments and effects, so maybe this isn’t that big a deal.

Yes, the VST's won't run on a Push either.

But the context in this subthread was addressing the parent's claim that Logic on iPadOS has complete parity with Logic macOS and can replace it in its use - not Push.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

smoldesu wrote: post #242
nr2x wrote: post #232

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Logic definitely has more plugins for way less money though.

FL's default plugins embarrass them both. I haven't used any Image-Line software in a dog's age, but I really miss the Fruity Loops compressor sometimes...

I found FL's plugins (default and extra) to be cheesy and too mainstream-EDM/trap/etc based.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

pier25 wrote: post #204
coldtea wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.

I never meant for the iPad to replace the controller. Just the computer part.

Well, but the comparison was for it as a substitute for (or better value than) Push. Well, as we conclude here, Push does something different.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

pier25 wrote: post #207
coldtea wrote: post #206

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I'm pretty sure the Push 3 has been calculated to be able to run the plugins it needs to run - and without interruptions or other apps taking over the OS.

> to be able to run the plugins it needs to run What does that even mean? How many Diva instances can it run? Edit: And BTW, AKAI MPC users hit CPU limits all the time. And that's not even using heavy VSTs like Diva but the ARM optimized plugins included.

>What does that even mean?

It means that it has enough specs to run the plugins and use cases Ableton designed it for, and tested it with.

It's not a complete studio or meant to replace a desktop studio computer for all uses. It's a dedicated standalone thing, and has its own capabilities and limitations. So, like any other "groovebox" style device.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #260
coldtea wrote: post #191

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> It's sort of ironic now, though, because Dropbox has not been doing very well the last few years Yes, but not for the reasons that famous comment thought it wouldn't (people ...trivially rolling their own with Linux+FTP+SVN or whatever). If anything, for the opposite reasons: because even more turnkey/integrated solutions than Dropbox became available as you say. Which makes that comment appear even more off now! (…

Well, the original comment made 3 distinct arguments which can basically be summed up as: 1) Its feature-set is easily duplicated (from a technical perspective) 2) It doesn't solve one particular use-case (that it wasn't designed to solve) 3) It's hard to imagine it catching on, let alone making money Point #1 was widely mocked after Dropbox caught on, but turned out to be kind of correct - it just wasn't end-users t…

Regarding #1, being easily replicated by end-users was the whole point of Point #1 in the original comment. It rested entirely on how easy it is to just slap such a thing together, and how people will just do it and skip using Dropbox which would mean the product would fail.

Whether it could be duplicated by other companies (with billions in the bank and thousands of engineers and OS/device access for integration) is irrelevant to the original comment's point.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by illumin8 »

jtode wrote: post #36
vemv wrote: post #21

I own a Push 1 and 2, although at hobbyist level. The standalone Push 3 seems a great step forward. macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio (and other pro) users. For instance I have an expensive sound card that became useless with after a minor OS upgrade. I never got to troubleshoot it or find an official solution. That was incredibly discouraging - enough to move on to other hobbies. And…

Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

I don't think this is true at all. Apple keeps releasing amazing new features for Logic Pro and they are free. They also just released Logic Pro for the iPad, and the new M2 iPad Pros are basically more powerful than Intel Macs at this use case.

Apple is clearly committed to their Pro users, but I can see why them dropping driver support for older hardware is frustrating. It's not that they are dropping driver support, it's just that the hardware manufacturers aren't updating drivers to support ARM Macs and not load as a low level kernel driver (insecure). I think your anger is a bit misplaced - maybe you should direct it towards the sound card manufacturer that refuses to update drivers for years?

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by throwaway675309 »

coldtea wrote: post #175
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

Point is not the hardware specs. The point is that the iPad Pro makes an excellent portable musical workstation on the go as well (GarageBand comes with it, and Logic Pro has been ported over). So if you had to choose one this becomes a relevant comparison point.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by throwaway675309 »

coldtea wrote: post #179
vemv wrote: post #21

I own a Push 1 and 2, although at hobbyist level. The standalone Push 3 seems a great step forward. macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio (and other pro) users. For instance I have an expensive sound card that became useless with after a minor OS upgrade. I never got to troubleshoot it or find an official solution. That was incredibly discouraging - enough to move on to other hobbies. And…

> macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio Like?

I have a MacBook M1 Max that has been nothing but a pain in the ass when it comes to the core audio. Anytime I attempt to use soft synths that peg the CPU at about 40 to 50%, the speakers will start to occasionally crackle/pop completely disrupting my flow.

Apparently it's not a completely unheard of problem no pun intended. I've had to go back to my windows machine (bitwig and FL) + MOTU, and pretty much abandoned Mac music with logic pro completely. Really ticks me off.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by cmehdy »

earthnail wrote: post #208

I had the privilege of playing with the Push 3 a few weeks ago. If you owned a Push before, it’s exactly what you think it is: basically the Push you always wanted. The fact that it’s a standalone device now is brilliant. So is the built-in battery. Just super, super convenient. Controls are mostly self-explanatory. It has a fantastic tutorial when you first use it; overall a really polished experience. The MPI on th…

What do you think about the materials of the device? The Push 3 looks amazingly interesting to me but the 2 has a lot of comments about plastics not ageing well. It's not a device one would want to replacer anytime soon, so I'm really wondering if it will last basically.
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