Who wants to be tracked? • Hacker News Board

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by tpxl » Fri, May 19, 2023, 10:38 PM UTC

arendtio wrote: post #125

tpxl wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mustn't reject service based on refusal of non-legitimate-reason data processing consent. Allowing paying to not have ads is orthogonal to the service being provided - in both cases the user gets the news, it's just flanked by ads in one case.

Well, I don't have a problem with the paid version. What I have have a problem with, is the refusal of service if I don't consent to being tracked. So if there would be three versions, like 'personalized ads with tracking', 'tracking-free/unpersonalized ads' and 'paid ad-free', that would be fine with me. What I don't understand, is that it is okay to refuse the service if you don't consent for the ad-supported track…

Sorry, I misread your comment. It's not OK to refuse service if you refuse tracking.

Paid service or ads without tracking is OK.

Paid service with no free alternative is OK - you didn't refuse service based on refusing tracking, you refused it based on non-payment.

Paid service or tracking is not OK.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by sfmike » Sat, May 20, 2023, 4:21 AM UTC

todd8 wrote: post #177

My spouse will sometimes mention in conversation with others that I invented the cookie. This always puts me on the spot, and I have to enter into a long explanation of the what and the why of cookies least they believe that I some sort of evil software hacker. (Now for a short explanation so that HN readers don’t think that I’m an evil hacker: I invented them, with the help of a colleague, while at IBM where we were…

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Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Sun, May 21, 2023, 2:37 AM UTC

xp84 wrote: post #246

JohnFen wrote: post #157

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The problem is that pool is getting increasingly poisoned. Websites are increasingly hosting third-party analytics and advertising tracker scripts on their own sites in order to evade people who are trying to avoid them. This is making it much less acceptable to allow first-party cookies and scripts.

Yeah, it seems like sites that offer content without a subscription keep trying to show ads (which nobody buys untargeted because they’d be a massive waste of money). It implies that the content needs to be paid for - and that’s why they’re not all just taking a polite “no” and giving up on it. And if you believe that Internet ads could be just as scattershot as the Bud Light, Coke, and Toyota spots on TV, consider h…

So what? Literally billions of people get tracked and profiled so that some video creator can earn a bit more money... who cares. They can do it for less, or charge money directly if they think they've got what it takes. A few individuals lose a bit, while billions gain some privacy.