As a googler, I believe that googlers should be paid top of market. I love to see my fellow Sundar getting bank
Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
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Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why this country sucks, no one wants people to be paid adequately if it's more than they make. Talk about crab bucket mentality.
You can have a standard for maximum fair wage without it being some kind of personal irrational gripe.
Those wages are what middle class is due to inflation.
Stop wanting everyone to be as poor as you god damn. I want employees to make as much as they can, not all the wealth concentrate in a capital class. WTF is wrong with people?
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can have a standard for maximum fair wage without it being some kind of personal irrational gripe.
Those wages are what middle class is due to inflation. Stop wanting everyone to be as poor as you god damn. I want employees to make as much as they can, not all the wealth concentrate in a capital class. WTF is wrong with people?
If an employee makes enough money they aren't middle class. And if a CEO is getting paid normally then they're an employee too.
Also I was thinking in terms of math applied to percentiles and other statistics, which don't change with inflation.
Are you really going to say it's crab bucket if I say a number like "a million dollars" and say it should apply to both income and capital gains? Maybe even a lower number for capital gains, if I'm being feisty?
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying 'Pop artists make similar money' and then using the highest paid female artist ever is kind of misleading.
Why? It's not like Google is average, either
>>Pop artists make similar money scantily clad and squeezing autotune
I wasn't the one that made the implication that Taylor Swift's lifetime revenue was "peanuts"
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? It's not like Google is average, either
>> Pop artists make similar money scantily clad and squeezing autotune I wasn't the one that made the implication that Taylor Swift's lifetime revenue was "peanuts"
I'm not following, and rereading the thread now it looks like it's been edited to the point of not making sense. I thought the thread was something like:
> What pop artist makes that much?
>> Swift
>>> But she's the top of pop artists, that's not a fair comparison (implied: because google should be paying a more "normal" amount)
In which case "but Google is the top of tech" would be a fair counterpoint. But if the argument is that even the top of pop artists doesn't come close, then... I'm not sure what argument we're having, actually, but yes, it's a different point.
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're discounting the people that identified the opportunity, scoped out and defined the project, and then briefed you about what was needed. Sales, Marketing, and GTM are absolutely generating 100x - 1000x their salary if they take sole ownership of a project like you are doing. SWEs are good are solving problems, but other people determine which problems to pay attention to, and how much investment to make in them…
There's a straightforward (if not necessarily easy) way to test this hypothesis. Go look at founders and see what fraction are engineers vs project managers vs sales/marketing/business/etc. in their previous careers. Then go look at who is successful and how their success is positively or negatively impacted by their experience. I haven't run the numbers but I have the impression that "idea people" tend to flounder w…
That's an interesting point, but I think having a Founder's or Entrepreneurial mindset is the key to success here and not the founder's professional discipline. It's about the combination of ideas, execution, and money. No single profession owns that.
Lots of successful businesses have been founded and run by founders with no formal engineering training. They all need some level of business knowledge, but that can to some degree be learnt on the job.
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't taking the blame part of why CEOs get paid millions of dollars? 226 of them in this case. Pichai signed up for it and is objectively a winner too.
I’ll take some blame for $226m. What you’ve said is nonsensical. Being the victim of some harsh words forgotten the next day while never having to work another day in your life is not any kind of responsibility.
> What you’ve said is nonsensical.
These are strong words, and you didn't back them up at all.
The comment you're replying to did not mention responsibility at all. Responsibility and blame are different things.
If I were a little less charitable I'd have said your comment was nonsensical.
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you run into a lot of great software engineers that didn't spend at least that many hours working on their own projects? I don't think you could even pass an internship interview if all you did was go to class for 4 years. (Passing the classes is of course predicated on doing a lot of programming outside of class, if only to have some text files to turn in!) Most of the job training for this field comes from wit…
> Have you run into a lot of great software engineers that didn't spend at least that many hours working on their own projects? Despite the HN bubble, most developers go to work, do their jobs and go home and don’t think about “side projects”
Yeah, but how do you get your first job? Doctors don't have a job when they go to 12 years of medical school. That's to get the job.
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#279Imagine making a million a week. /brain explodes
And for some, imagining $150k a year makes their brain explode.
Also imagine many people on the internet hating on you. I'm not at all sure that's worth a million a week.
Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs
#280I wonder what it's like being rich. :thinking emoji:
Being rich, you can buy more and bigger things. You don't have to.
Rich people still have health problems, interpersonal problems, and also: everyone wants their money.
Source: I have some rich friends.