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Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Here's the reporting on the takeover attempt[1], it also mentions he didn't provide anything like the amount of funding that was initially expected. Sam has been quite open about what is going on with OpenAI - namely that what they needed to develop the tech was billions of dollars, and the only way they would get that money is a private venture, which they've negotiated with terms that actually limit the upside with…

Do you have a source that's not the Verge? I've learned to not trust them for anything Musk related as they have a history of incorrect and biased reporting. > it also mentions he didn't provide anything like the amount of funding that was initially expected Elon provided $100M, were they expecting more than that? That's quite a lot of money for an early company. > Also, OpenAI was never a partnership between just Mu…

I mean, I can't walk into a car dealership with $10,000 and tell them that's a big pile of money, and walk out with a $100,000 car, so I'm not sure why $100 million should get you $1,000 million of company, just because you asked for it.

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Why is it failing? Poor management or not viable? Vertical farming seems key for our future.

Vertical farming is a solution in search of a problem. It's not viable and it doesn't solve any meaningful issues in agriculture. In cities, land is more productive when used for other purposes (residential, commercial, retail, etc.), and out in the country where crops are typically grown, space simply isn't an issue to the point that you need to go up. Indeed, way more food is currently produced than is actually nee…

I always assumed the key word here was “indoor,” and not “vertical.” Indoors is a place where it is much, much, easier to automate and control growing conditions. Both could add up to faster better cheaper. Given how amazingly huge; dense; and performant logistics has gotten, I can’t imagine the real estate angle is moving the needle very much.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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My experience, too. As a younger self, when I heard a C-ranked executive talk about X who's a "fantastic engineer", I assumed that I'd have to work hard to reach their level, without realizing that they may actually not have a clue. Now, when I hear a C-ranked executive talk about X who's a "fantastic engineer", I realize it's just name-dropping.

I am sure that's true for some, but I doubt that's true when a Google exec talks about, eg, Jeff Dean being an absolutely fantastic engineer. Now Jeff Dean being, well, Jeff Dean is one thing, but I'm sure there are engineers at Google who the outside world has never heard of that have done fantastic work internally.

Quite possible.

But, barring any information, my default assumption is now that it's name-dropping.

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What was the ACTUAL lesson with these two? I can guess your intent, but could you specify? Also I think the grand father version instead of the baby version. Apple is massive...

* Build something people want and will pay for. * Figure out what the product must look like early, and keep your vision consistent for a long time. * Dive into the details of the product, and try to get quality at the lowest levels. * Hire great and motivated people. * Remove roadblocks that prevent people from moving quickly. Those are the real lessons. My current job does all of these, and doesn't do the "Treat pe…

Thanks for this, well distilled. I used to be anxious about how the handful of folks I knew running breakout companies all leaned heavily towards asshole. Was it a necessary but not sufficient trait to achieve great performance?

I’ve come to learn that if you do the things on your list well, some people are going to see that as being an asshole.

Clearing roadblocks quickly ( and nearly all roadblocks are made of people-problems after about 50+), insisting on certain aspects of a product vision for years, and engaging in someone else’s details are all strongly correlated with annoying someone.

I also learned that the assholes I knew were just the usual mean, dunning Kruger style people that exist everywhere. Those traits ultimately meant their inner circle perpetually excludes the kind of really great people you’d want to surround yourself with.

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The definition of multimillionaire is a bit vague here, but I would assume the OP was referring to being in deca-millionaire territory. That is much more rare to accomplish at a FAANG company.

The average SWE at FAANG can become a deca-millionaire over the course of 20-25 working years. Starting from $0, this requires saving $125k a year for 21 years to reach $10.06M at an 11.88% interest rate, which is the S&P500 average. Well within the capability of any senior SWE @ FAANG, and it only takes 4 years to get to senior. But then capital gains taxes hit. Anyways, yes, a startup employee on the other hand can…

Also the S&P average is more like 7%. But those SWEs also are issued stock compensation which can accelerate those savings meaningfully

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Figma's not a great example of "buying to kill" though -- I'd guess that Adobe would sooner deprioritize their existing products that compete with Figma and redirect their effort. And I don't see much wrong with FB buying Instagram or Adobe buying Figma or Google buying YouTube because these services actually got better to the consumer's benefit (and I guess to a limited extent the enriched early employees perpetuate…

Google buying Youtube was the only outcome where Youtube would survive, at least at it was. The same way Napster wouldn't have survived as it was. We're in agreement here, but it's I think a broader discussion on how media companies make money and where we stand as consumer, in particular how we feel about RIAA/MPAA. I still think Google is doing a good job, better than most of us would have predicted, but I personal…

I guess I shouldn't have lumped that purchase in with the others -- maybe IG should be separate indeed. I thought maybe it was similar to YouTube at the time of acquisition but rethinking it now it probably wasn't.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Based on her TED interview about passenger travel on rockets being in service by 2028 cheaper than business class, I'm gonna say they might be doing well in spite of her rather than because.

I’m sorry but you clearly know nothing about what you’re talking about. Throughout the entire industry she is absolutely credited with SpaceX’s success. SpaceX dominates because of reliability, and the reliability stems from business units Shotwell manages, not Musk.

What do you think the odds are of the passenger service operating in 2028 at those prices?

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Vertical farming is a solution in search of a problem. It's not viable and it doesn't solve any meaningful issues in agriculture. In cities, land is more productive when used for other purposes (residential, commercial, retail, etc.), and out in the country where crops are typically grown, space simply isn't an issue to the point that you need to go up. Indeed, way more food is currently produced than is actually nee…

I always assumed the key word here was “indoor,” and not “vertical.” Indoors is a place where it is much, much, easier to automate and control growing conditions. Both could add up to faster better cheaper. Given how amazingly huge; dense; and performant logistics has gotten, I can’t imagine the real estate angle is moving the needle very much.

Indoors is much more expensive though. You've got to build the buildings and all the infrastructure. Outdoors in big simple fields has a lot of pluses. And it's time-tested. There's no particular reason to think that the majority of food will ever be grown indoors, or even a small but significant fraction of it. Not on Earth anyway.

Re: SpaceX alums are branching out and shaping the startup economy

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Do you have a source that's not the Verge? I've learned to not trust them for anything Musk related as they have a history of incorrect and biased reporting. > it also mentions he didn't provide anything like the amount of funding that was initially expected Elon provided $100M, were they expecting more than that? That's quite a lot of money for an early company. > Also, OpenAI was never a partnership between just Mu…

Occam's razor is in effect. Elon is not good and smart. The onus is on your to proof otherwise. I was going to comment on how this article is a Musk PR move. It's quite clear why the first thing he guts in a company is PR. He has simp's that will do it for free and because there is no official PR channel, a literal reality distortion field is created because only fanbois get access to the man, the myth, the legend. E…

I suggest taking a look at the hacker news guidelines as you don't seem to be interested in following them.
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