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What does Atlassian do perfectly? And please don't use the J word.
JIRA.
You gone and done it. Also JIRA is wack.
Google stopping coding competitions
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> an employee-centric company was revolutionary at the time In the world of major software corporations, perhaps, but it's not like it was unknown elsewhere.
They were never the poster child for "employee centric" companies; they were just young, successful, made an awful lot of money and spent it. From this timeframe Fog Creek was the defacto "developer first" company.
Disagree. What is even "Fog creek"?
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> despite what Google has become, it absolutely defined tech culture. Real talk: What companies are filling this role now? I work at a FAANG, and it just does something to the soul. I can't describe what that thing is... but I routinely look at early-retirement calculators to cope with it.
I don’t think any companies are. The industry is in a very stable, mature state right now and the culture is kind of defined. The last big disruption was probably the smartphone and App Store and that was what, 15 years ago now? Google managed to last that one out. We were told Web3 would be the next disruption. Now we’re told it’s AI. The mere suggestion of Google messing that up tanked its stock price, maybe it’ll…
Once AI succeeds there won't be a tech culture, because tech companies will no longer employ humans.
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#274Is there any other, more gracious, way to interpret this as Google retiring for on being Google, if so I’d like to know. I think the direct impact of these competitions to hiring were minimal. The biggest impact was to have thousands perhaps millions of coders and researchers see Google as the place to be. As the place that gets it. The Mecca of coderdom, if you will. Now they are just another corporation. I hope the…
They have been just another corporation for a while.
The great layoff and such things just made it official.
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> Most of the people I know who wanted to work at google, and a few that worked at google, now have higher paying, more enjoyable, and more stable jobs elsewhere Honest question (this is really not a challenge), care to share where? I always thought of the FAANGs (collectively) giving the best compensation in the business. Which companies are paying more than Google but with more stability?
I've been really happy at Zipline. My salary is comparable to when I was at Google, and my equity has way more potential. As far as stability goes, I can't imagine a company being more supportive of its employees.
There is absolutely no way your salary is comparable. Are you only counting base and not tcomp?
edit: Ah, he's counting start-up equity as not worthless. That's definitely one way to value it.
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I hate how "normal" of a company google is becoming. Closing down services and products not because they aren't profitable, but because they aren't profitable enough . They've really lost their way the last few years. In the late 2000's/early 2010's, google was pictured as the "fun" place to work. In part due to their coding competitions and the various other events they held for students throughout the year. Everyon…
It's been a long time coming. Google ran an experiment: "We are surrounded by stodgy, calcified software firms. Can we build a company that isn't like that and is also successful?" For a long time, they succeeded. But I think that experiment has run to a conclusion and they've discovered for themselves why their competition became stodgy and calcified (it wasn't because that's what they wanted to be; it's because the…
> For a long time, they succeeded.
I'm not sure I'd give them that much credit in executing on any strategy.
Google sat on perhaps the biggest moat any recent company has known. They had cash to burn for decades and to their credit put a lot of that towards employee happiness.
But I'm not sure they ever really got anything off the ground for the "post" search era.
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I hate how "normal" of a company google is becoming. Closing down services and products not because they aren't profitable, but because they aren't profitable enough . They've really lost their way the last few years. In the late 2000's/early 2010's, google was pictured as the "fun" place to work. In part due to their coding competitions and the various other events they held for students throughout the year. Everyon…
It's been a long time coming. Google ran an experiment: "We are surrounded by stodgy, calcified software firms. Can we build a company that isn't like that and is also successful?" For a long time, they succeeded. But I think that experiment has run to a conclusion and they've discovered for themselves why their competition became stodgy and calcified (it wasn't because that's what they wanted to be; it's because the…
The more profits a company makes, the more they stand to lose, so they avoid risks.
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Know what's even worse than Google on autopilot? Microsoft.
Microsoft (as another giant monster of a company) at least has the decency to contain terrible parts (Windows, parts of Azure & and consumer goods) and amazing parts (Programming, parts of Azure and developer tools). Google is just uniformly bad.
Even though I deslike the way they screwed Sun, at very least they had the guts to push with Android, a relatively good managed OS, no matter what.
Something that WinDev killed with politics (Longhorn, Singularity, Midori,...).
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#280Interesting that just a few days ago they posted about opening basically the same thing but focused on ML https://developers.googleblog.com/2023/02/MLOlympiad2023.htm... Interesting contrast and I guess a sign of the changing tides.
Bingo! It just means that developer as a job is on the way out and in 20 years everyone is going to be a prompt engineer. Hence getting rid of coding competitions and sponsoring ML competitions instead.
Today - everyone googling on SO to solve problems. Future - everyone will be prompting AI to solve problems. As long as we all get basically the same tools, the difference comes from the developer.
Electricity is also a huge productivity booster, but it doesn't advantage any one person, all have access to the same energy infrastructure. Youtube has educational and artistic content for everyone, but we need to actually use it to get the benefits - it depends on us.