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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by dmw_ng »

npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

"Google uses Bayesian filtering the way Microsoft uses the if statement"*

This quote is 18 years old, and already by then it was established understanding that Google had extreme technical magic the rest of the world lacked. A rushed, bumbled tech demo in an area a company who for decades has invested billions in and widely enjoyed a perception of AI supremacy is a wildly different thing to a polished demo from a company nobody expects anything good to come from.

They have constantly encouraged the belief in their technical dominance in their marketing and hiring for as long as I can remember. If that's the perception externally, imagine how much more scathing a defeat it must feel to current employees.

* https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2005/10/17/news-121/

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by hackernewds »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #157
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #45

> Google employees > Interactive chart of Alphabet (GOOG) annual worldwide employee count from 2010 to 2022. Alphabet total number of employees in 2022 was 190,234 There should be a rule where you can't over-represent a group of people in media headlines. What percentage of 190,000 people called the CEOs response a dumpster fire? What percentage of 190,000 are even aware of ChatGPT or Google's response to it?

You only need 2 Google employees to criticize Sundar for "Google employees call the response a dumpster fire" to be plausibly true. When things like this come out in the media, I generally assume n That said, you can add me as an Xoogler who thinks that Sundar is phenomenally bad at managing the company.

Why do you think so? That's a tall claim that could warrant showing your calculations. Curious as an outsider.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by hackernewds »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #205
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #45

> Google employees > Interactive chart of Alphabet (GOOG) annual worldwide employee count from 2010 to 2022. Alphabet total number of employees in 2022 was 190,234 There should be a rule where you can't over-represent a group of people in media headlines. What percentage of 190,000 people called the CEOs response a dumpster fire? What percentage of 190,000 are even aware of ChatGPT or Google's response to it?

Journalism is dead

Tech journalism is dead*

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by tonymet »

I hope this helps shake up Google's product marketing which hasn't met expectations. Poor segmentation, poor GTM, poor messaging, poor community engagement , poor CTAs on marketing messages.

Everyone's aware of the messaging-app missteps. I'll share a more tactical example. Recently Google Home "beta" was launched with lots of messaging via email & twitter to join the Beta. All of the CTAs were broken. The "beta" that was expected in days took a couple months to land. Compare that to Bing ChatGPT Beta which had a clear CTA into the enrollment program ( activate Edge, Bing, etc) and waitlist.

Google has a strong community of fans but they do a poor job of engaging their audience. Microsoft by comparison has MSDN, MS Insiders, etc.

The Bard (horrible name, btw) debacle was not a singular event but a culmination of many product marketing issues. As a fan, i hope they make some big changes.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

tastyminerals2 wrote: post #189
npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

I've found similar... it did a days work for me the other day in about 20 seconds.

But is this related to search? I'm a "pro ChatGPT" user (ie, I pay) and I don't use it for anything search related. It's entirely unrelated.

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Post by gkoberger »

npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm convinced it's the opposite... I think in 5 years we'll look back and wonder why it wasn't more obvious to everyone. I think in 5 years, almost every single company that exists now will look radically different due to what we're starting to see now.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

npalli wrote: post #241
tastyminerals2 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…

In my experience a domain expert (myself in my domain) can quickly validate the answers. It can make a multi-hour task a multi-minute task.

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Post by SergeAx »

npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

It will not replace, but it may enhance and it also may save time clicking on links, just giving a direct answer. It also may produce bullshit. But it is worth exploring.

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Post by SoftTalker »

alex_sf wrote: post #146
matthewdgreen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with this analysis is that first movers usually don't win.

They usually don't win in the long-run because someone comes along with > better design, cheaper price, better range, better reliability That doesn't mean the first mover advantage doesn't exist.

First movers are the first to hit the innovater’s dilemma.

They are trapped by the decisions they made as first movers, while later incumbents have freedom to create improvements without worry about the installed base.

Apple is one company that never seemed to fall into that trap. They just tell the installed base “fuck you, buy the new thing” and somehow get away with it.

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