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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by jujube3 »

ChickenNugger wrote: post #219
s5300 wrote: post #134

This is going to sound exceptionally crass… But as somebody who’s from the outright poorest part of Ohio, with generations of coal workers in the family… I’m sitting here, in the West Coast sun, laughing about this. I’ve also spent significant amounts of time in the general region of this disaster It’s awful. The situation is absolutely awful, that town & everything in a radius around it is genuinely fucked, and from…

I'm also from Appalachia. But just across the river in WV. > from what I’ve heard but not completely personally confirmed, it’s already contaminating downstream into the Ohio river. As someone who grew up in the town both The Devil We Know (Documentary on Netflix) and Dark Waters (loosely based on real events) are about - and the bizarre fillings to prove it - when it was happening to the people living there, this is…

Plus when Joe Biden cancelled Keystone XL pipeline he forced more oil to be transported by train. Which could also be another factor in this accident.

I do wonder if that's one reason the media isn't eager to cover this.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by aworks »

ChickenNugger wrote: post #266
AtomicOrbital wrote: post #14

Evidently this briefly hit the mass tv news cycle then went silent... This deserves wide scale attention... Pollution and toxic destruction needs to trigger a commensurate fine both for clean up and punitive damages sufficient to motivate big business to proactively avoid these events Looks like media has been told to drop this story... Or even worse to self censor anything outside it's allowed news topic criteria

> Pollution and toxic destruction needs to trigger a commensurate fine both for clean up and punitive damages sufficient to motivate big business to proactively avoid these events It's going to dump into the Ohio river and spread this over the planet, just like C-8. Less than a month after Biden made it illegal for rail workers to strike. No political party taking corporate money is your friend.

My priors: I've lived in (chemically toxic) Silicon Valley for decades near a long-term Superfund site created by a long-gone semiconductor facility. I'm also a former Midwestener who understands the importance of the Ohio River ecosystem.

In my personal sense of current importance, balloons over North American, maybe all from China, get my news and political attention since it could have both personal and global impact.

So at this point, I don't blame the Democratic Party or capitalism or various media although I recognize they aren't my friends either.

I may change my mind in a month, course, if events prove catastrophic. Or if I eventually develop cancer because semiconductors.

Apologies to the fine citizens of Ohio. And thanks ChickenNugger for the opportunity to think about the situation.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by notch898a »

jujube3 wrote: post #271
ChickenNugger wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also from Appalachia. But just across the river in WV. > from what I’ve heard but not completely personally confirmed, it’s already contaminating downstream into the Ohio river. As someone who grew up in the town both The Devil We Know (Documentary on Netflix) and Dark Waters (loosely based on real events) are about - and the bizarre fillings to prove it - when it was happening to the people living there, this is…

Plus when Joe Biden cancelled Keystone XL pipeline he forced more oil to be transported by train. Which could also be another factor in this accident. I do wonder if that's one reason the media isn't eager to cover this.

Keystole XL was halted to "save" the endangered species, you can't make this shit up. The animals need us to use the most dangerous and least efficient methods possible.

  On April 15, 2020, District Judge Brian Morris issued a suspension for the pipeline's construction after the plaintiffs, the Northern Plains Resource Council, alleged the project was improperly reauthorised back in 2017.[94][95] In the summary judgment, the judge agreed that the Endangered Species Act was violated, thereby voiding the permit.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by WalterBright »

btilly wrote: post #231
notch898a wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um if a person drives a car into an occupied structure with people is that not violent? If you drove into the police station the officers would say they feared for their lives and open fire.

Presumably they do it at night when nobody is around to be hurt. And hopefully nobody reports it to police in time.

Yes, that's exactly what they do.

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Post by TylerE »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #196
jessaustin wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't always "Chernobyl in Ohio", as locals are calling it. Although, that is becoming more common. If only the rail industry were regulated... maybe we need to dig up Teddy Roosevelt?

The rail industry is regulated. In certain ways over and in certain ways under. Eg, there's very little sense to the requirements a passenger train needs to reach to run on the same rails as freight, and Europe does it safely all the time.

Not so much a matter of safety as that it’s the freight railroads that own the rails, whereas is most of Europe the infrastructure is mostly government owned, or in some cases was and is now (sorta) privatized but still under a sort of open access model.

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Post by winrid »

vGPU wrote: post #261
xattt wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tinfoil hat spin: the “no one is talking about it” angle is being propagated by foreign psy-ops as a distraction from the balloon stories. The “look, we found balloons too” angle floated like a lead aerostat. The general population pays closer attention to the derailment story because a cover-up is intimated by a “grassroots” perspective, and the balloon story floats away into thin air.

Because literally nobody cares about the balloons aside from the laughingstock the US military became after they let the first one float across the entire United States before finally shooting it down.

Not sure if true but I read that we couldn't shoot it down where it was. It was in an odd elevation, too high for some equipment, too low for others.

Supposedly we shot it down after it lost elevation on the coast.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by winrid »

xattt wrote: post #136
epakai wrote: post #20

Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If you want to point out instances of news media not covering this story where they might have covered other stories go for it, cite instances. All I've been convinced of so far is some people have an axe to grind, and part of their narrative is how the media or t…

Tinfoil hat spin: the “no one is talking about it” angle is being propagated by foreign psy-ops as a distraction from the balloon stories. The “look, we found balloons too” angle floated like a lead aerostat. The general population pays closer attention to the derailment story because a cover-up is intimated by a “grassroots” perspective, and the balloon story floats away into thin air.

These chemicals will have a major impact on the environment and people around the wreckage. People in the town are already reporting illness.

People 1.5 miles away from the wreck are having their dogs die in their yard while letting them out to pee.

The balloon is just bullshit, but this isn't.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by winrid »

winrid wrote: post #277
xattt wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tinfoil hat spin: the “no one is talking about it” angle is being propagated by foreign psy-ops as a distraction from the balloon stories. The “look, we found balloons too” angle floated like a lead aerostat. The general population pays closer attention to the derailment story because a cover-up is intimated by a “grassroots” perspective, and the balloon story floats away into thin air.

These chemicals will have a major impact on the environment and people around the wreckage. People in the town are already reporting illness. People 1.5 miles away from the wreck are having their dogs die in their yard while letting them out to pee. The balloon is just bullshit, but this isn't.

It should also be noted that they just fixed the train tracks and just covered up the spill, instead of doing a proper cleanup.

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Post by duckmysick »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #257
naasking wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not novel that a train derailed spilling toxic chemicals into a small town literally weeks after Congress forced a settlement on train workers who wanted to strike partly over safety concerns? On the facts it's frankly a huge scandal. I think the coverage tells quite a different story though, namely distractions on external "enemies", like Chinese balloons, providing cover for corporate sponsors that fund the po…

> not novel that a train derailed spilling toxic chemicals into a small town literally weeks after Congress forced a settlement on train workers who wanted to strike partly over safety concerns? No, it's not. Over a thousand trains derail every year [1][2]. We have superfund sites under millions of Americans [3] that even locals can sometimes barely muster a bother with. We also have no evidence this derailment was c…

> Over a thousand trains derail every year

How many of them require a controlled burn of its content that forces nearby citizens to evacuate?

> We have superfund sites under millions of Americans

How many of them are a result of a derailed train?

Yes, separately those events aren't novel. Their intersection is.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by Natsu »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #241
Natsu wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For that last part, some people are worried it might not be. I don't claim to know enough about it to say who is right, but the people there are understandably concerned about what to watch for and want more info. Some of that might be worrying too much, but hey, a train full of hazardous chemicals did just explode out there. It's not like we can't point to a time when things were majorly screwed up in a way that did…

> some people are worried it might not be Absolutely. But the problem is slow, silent and lurking in the dark. (It's also safely localized.) I'm not saying this issue deserve eyeballs. Just that there is no evidence of a scheme to suppress. The cold, dark reality is most Americans aren't interested in the long-term health of a 5,000-strong Ohio town from an accident in which nobody died, for which there is no partisa…

Well, unless that cloud of chemical smoke becomes rain elsewhere, stuff seeps into the water, etc. That said, I've had some time to peruse some of the sources here and at least the nearby water treatment plants claim to be doing more testing, so there's that.

I'd still be more than a little concerned if I were nearby, though. And it doesn't usually take a partisan boogeyman to talk about better safety and prospects of environmental damage.

Part of the problem with that is usually exactly what you say: it really is too easy to ignore and it really shouldn't be.

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