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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by ddkto »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #231
X-Istence wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company uses Teams... and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. So here's at least one person who is using teams who complains about it. The shitty UI/UX is one thing, but some of the behaviors are incredibly frustrating. Here's some examples: - Sharing a single window makes Teams minimize the window with everyones video camera on it into a small window in the corner of your primary screen. I have a 49" wide scree…

> Sharing a single window makes Teams minimize the window with everyones video camera on it into a small window in the corner of your primary screen. I have a 49" wide screen, I can have that Teams window open (so I can see faces/people) and share a window at full-size for everyone else, STOP minimizing that window. Took me a while to figure this out, but, and if I understand what's going on and you didn't realize it…

but when the video window pops up again, it's a different size than it was before. I usually have the video window expanded to half a screen (the other half is for taking notes). If I share the other monitor, the sequence is:

1. share monitor to Teams 2. click on the little window to make it big again 3. reposition the video window back to where it was before

It's not clear to me the value of steps 2 and 3...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by arcosdev »

samiru wrote: post #196
revscat wrote: post #147

To everyone at GitHub: I’m so sorry. I don’t mean this in a clever way, either. Teams is awful and it will make your lives worse to one degree or another.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

I am forced to use it and it is hot garbage. It is a productivity killing anti-app.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by ljm »

jacquesm wrote: post #194

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

I love how IRC was the fundamental solution to the problem, and technology improved it over the following decade or so with XMPP, and then the same technology conspired to extend it and extinguish it. Slack did it, Google did it, Teams never supported it in the first place...

XMPP wasn't perfect but the solution to that has been walled gardens around real-time chat apps.

Everybody wants to share when they're the underdog but when success hits them, they roll the red carpet back.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by jacquesm »

phpisthebest wrote: post #259
jacquesm wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I simply can not get it to work. Note that we are on Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier for something that should be a non-issue. Every two bit video chat site in the world seems to have this figured out.

>>I simply can not get it to work. Seems like that is something you should have stated in the first comment. >>Linux/Chromebooks depending on the person in the team and this alone seems to be a major barrier Something like les than 1% of the world uses Linux on the desktop. Dont get me wrong I love Linux, I used it as my primary desktop from 2005 until around 2012 when I went back to Windows (windows 10) But calling…

1% of the world -> you are missing out on whole orgs that use Chromebooks.

I'm sure that if you use the whole Windows enchilada that it may work, but given that Microsoft has shipped a Linux desktop client[1] I would expect that thing to simply work.

It doesn't. Besides wanting to run all the time even when you're not in a teams meeting. Video conferencing is all about seamless integration, it should get out of the way as much as possible and as soon as the tool becomes the focal point of the meeting in my book you've failed to deliver.

[1] https://petri.com/microsoft-replace-teams-linux-client-progr...

And they retired it, apparently because they agreed with my assessment or it isn't worth their trouble.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by matwood »

samiru wrote: post #196
revscat wrote: post #147

To everyone at GitHub: I’m so sorry. I don’t mean this in a clever way, either. Teams is awful and it will make your lives worse to one degree or another.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

> My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

For video or text chat or both? Meet + Slack is my preferred solution. IMO Google Meet is the easiest to use video meeting software. Click link and the person is dropped in the meeting. Slack is the best text chat.

Zoom is fine.

Teams is a dumpster fire on my mac. I have a couple external meetings that are Teams and I have to remember start trying to get on 5-10 minutes early. Otherwise I won't have time to force quit the client or restart my browser to make Teams work.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by jacquesm »

phpisthebest wrote: post #270
jacquesm wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you realize I'm the idiot that came up with live video in the browser to begin with? When I say it is broken I'm pretty serious about it: we spent a full day because there was one customer that positively insisted that we had to use their Teams setup rather than what we normally use and in the end we just gave up, it isn't worth the stress to me if there is a viable alternative (or even several). But of course if…

>> we spent a full day because there was one customer that positively insisted that we had to use their Teams setup rather So you tried it once, as a guest and then banned the entire things with out understand the permissions systems or any other possible causes? Understand that as a Admin I have the power to block Guests from Joining, Block some features from Guest, and so alot of things that is not commonly possibl…

> So you tried it once, as a guest and then banned the entire things with out understand the permissions systems or any other possible causes?

That's not what I wrote. I wrote that because someone insisted we said, ok, fine let's invest a bunch of time and solve this and we could not.

Before then we had tried multiple times and even now every now and then we get a teams invitation but I just point blank refuse them. Enough time wasted.

Check TFA: this is a Microsoft subsidiary that needs to be forced to use the solution provided by the mothership. That push really wouldn't be necessary if the people at GitHub believed that Teams served their needs well.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by eklitzke »

vel0city wrote: post #159
gautamdivgi wrote: post #129

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My Teams works fine on my Mac without issues. Have been using it for over a year now. Fwiw - I don’t understand why it’s hated. It’s a collaboration tool - mainly messaging and conferencing. It’s been decent at that for me.

I've been using it on Windows for well over a year. I can't speak to how well it works on Mac or Linux, could be a terrible experience, I dunno. In my opinion, its not the most ergonomic tool out there but its by far the most fully realized tool out there. There's lots of tools that are good for this or good for that, but mixing them in together gets to be a bit kludgy. Having calendars, live editing of documents, me…

Have you used the Google workspace tools? They also have tight integration of docs/meetings/chat/etc.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by ukoki »

aspaviento wrote: post #212

Using it on the browser: - it's wonky - 1 on 1 calls not always share the screen and I need to hang up, refresh the browser and call again - translation stopped working both ways. Once a text is translated it doesn't go back to its original language - it's a mess if you make a lot of group calls with different people. You end up having trillions of opened chat. I ended up pinning the main ones to keep them at the top…

You forgot the worst one! When you copy a message in Teams, it "helpfully" adds a header so you end up pasting "[Tuesday 12:54] John Doe" into random form fields / your terminal / your browser location bar ten times a day
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