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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by purpleblue »

acdha wrote: post #149
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #10

I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

You care about single-core performance when you use the web: things like JavaScript processing, layout, etc. will bottleneck on one core and since developers are shipping more code this is probably the most noticeable difference. It's also a little hard to tell in some cases since there are many “native apps” which use an embedded web view for some of their UI. This is important for developers to know about because i…

I was using a 12 year old desktop for my main system at home until I recently and impulsively decided to upgrade. I don't notice any difference because a lot of what I do is web browsing. The only thing that was transformational was things like using Photoshop, gaming and any high-intensity applications, which are few and far between. Even using Excel was hardly noticeable.

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Post by etempleton »

pkulak wrote: post #218
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

A little bit of both. Apple’s chips are highly customized for their use case and that proves out in certain benchmarks where they have a dramatic lead, but even without that customization they still have a small lead by default due to being on the newest process.

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Post by brookst »

6nf wrote: post #258
pkulak wrote: post #218

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Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

Apple Silicon benefits from full vertical integration and not having to worry about third parties and their particular needs for the same silicon.

This, especially with regards to backwards compatibility. Apple doesn't have to worry about some other OS / app vendor updating to support new silicon; they ship new hardware, new operating system, new Xcode, and almost everything just works.

Also their silicon itself is just more advanced. I don't think anyone else is doing UMA the way they are, though I'm not 100% sure and would welcome correction.

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Post by acdha »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #209
acdha wrote: post #149

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You care about single-core performance when you use the web: things like JavaScript processing, layout, etc. will bottleneck on one core and since developers are shipping more code this is probably the most noticeable difference. It's also a little hard to tell in some cases since there are many “native apps” which use an embedded web view for some of their UI. This is important for developers to know about because i…

While I agree it's important for developers to know, I think that Ca.gov example would have been more compelling if we'd had side by sides between various systems - as it was it was incredibly slow, but that's an aberration, and it was a universal problem. Otherwise we have to once again resort to benchmarks. I've been happy with the experience on my last Android phone for 3 years now, another benchmark isn't swaying…

Hey, if it works for you, that's great. My point is really just that there are still pretty common situations where CPU performance matters and so you really need to measure on the types of devices your users actually use. If you look at that and say it's fine, you don't need to change anything but I suspect a lot of developers would not be happy with the performance of their sites on, say, 3G or public library WiFi on a phone which was $200 when it came out multiple years ago. A fair amount of that isn't CPU-related but network transfer, but real testing will catch both of those.

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Post by [deleted] »

pkulak wrote: post #218
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

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Post by bloodyplonker22 »

pkulak wrote: post #218
t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

What a gross trivialization of the chip design process. If all a company had to do was get first in line for TSMC's process, Intel would drop all their fabs and just pay that money to TSMC to beat AMD.

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Post by jrochkind1 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #226
jrochkind1 wrote: post #186

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Interesting! i would have expected old battery to lead to keeping a charge for less time, but can you explain how it leads to worse perceived performance?

These mobile processors are very aggressive in lowering power demand when there is little computational load. Then, when you open an app or give it anything to do at all, power consumption jumps by orders of magnitude. An aged battery will show big voltage drops under load. What was looking like a fine and dandy voltage (voltage is used to infer state of charge) can suddenly plummet. It can get so bad that your phone…

A clear explanation, thank you!

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Post by seydor »

t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

You 're talking about the american market. Most of the world uses android phones

I think samsung and qualcomm are more important companies, because they compete in components, making incremental changes in the electronics industry . Apple is a vertically integrated, closed monolith and the rest of the ecosystem will not / cannot benefit from their innovations. Samsung should focus on differntiating itself from apple rather than trying to look more like it. Good, functional phones with lots of customizability and ports are a strength. Speed of apps is immaterial to me , and i m using an old Samsung. Most people use messengers and browsers, which run just fine in older phones. 3D avatars and fancy animations are not crucial to anyone

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Post by [deleted] »

t8sr wrote: post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

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Post by mrtksn »

wcfields wrote: post #267
mrtksn wrote: post #239

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> Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? It's like football game for geeks, it's not a big deal. It's fun as long as you don't take it too seriously. On a more serious note, I prefer Apple's style of doing things and pray to the gods Android doesn't obliterate Apple's OS. Just last week I got my hands on a Amazon Fire TV, it was cool until the AirScreen app s…

> Android and everything it stands for. Bloat. Virtually every android everything is so bloated that the underlying chip speed gains are rendered useless.

I don't know if it is all about the bloat. Even the 3rd party apps themselves seem to be made with less care. This AirScreen app I'm talking about apparently is a paid app(free to install, subscription for some features) that can just stop working on a fresh device and give cryptic error messages that don't help and complete uninstall and re-install doesn't fix it.
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