Mind you, the kids aren't all right was recorder in 1998 actually.
Great songs age well of course.
The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#272Biggest issue I'm seeing is people in the digital ecosystems (even myself) often lack in high quality friends who they regularly see. I noticed how I would form bonds with people over a game, but as soon as we both move on, we effectively just fizzle away and lose friends. Meanwhile my daughter is having similar issues. She has more closer ties to people online than in the physical world, which means that when we wan…
Indeed. Real people are just so danged inconvenient. Even just talking to them involves this degree of ritual where the desired communication is bookended with wasted time on introductory small talk and then a denouement you're never quite sure where it ends. If you're meeting up in person it's almost guaranteed you're going to be tired of their company before you actually leave, and then you have wasted time again traveling home.
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#273Okay, data is great, but the conclusions at the end have almost nothing to do with the data. They're a bunch of unsupported assumptions about what we've changed that must have caused all of this. It includes two separate links to his article about how we're ruining the children by coddling them with woke bullshit. Here's the tagline: "In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding pr…
Boomers are full of men white knuckling their way through lives of quiet desperation (is the English way. The time is gone, the song is over. Thought I’d something more to say). Their children were brought up that way, and maybe only started to question it in adulthood, with their own children, or before grandchildren came. As long as the kids don’t get parenting advice from grandma and grandpa, there’s more permissi…
I don't know if it is much of a generational, ignore your feelings bit. We're all so busy, never seem to find the time. Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines. If anything, I think time pressure has increased, we're all more "available" now. Increasing pressure to get into a good (and hopelessly expensive) college, too, may be a factor. I know seventeen year olds who think they've missed the starting gun.
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#274While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…
> Things only started getting better when I started seeing a therapist and worked on my issues over the second half of my high school experience. I'm curious, would you mind sharing how a therapist helped you? I'm in a similar (but not the same) space mentally, and put everything down to environmental issues (high pressure job, etc) and disregard the thought that a therapist could help with this (unless they had a ti…
therapy helps you develop efficient thinking ime. This is evaluating your emotions without added judgement, addressing problems without the added emotional burden of shame, and rapidly and genuinely accepting things (like past harm) that can’t be inherently changed without the added agony of fighting yourself over it
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#275This is just complete speculation, but to me, the timing and difference in ratio between male and female seems to correlate extremely well with a hypothesis that much of this is driven by the "sexting age" brought about with the advent of snapchat and similar apps. These apps have the dangerous duality that they are viewed very naively by less tech literate who see as something that facilitates sending nude pictures by only letting your recipient see them and deleting them after a fixed period. Of cause to anyone slightly more tech literate apps like that are a bombshell waiting to happen anytime anything remotely compromising is sent. This fits well with a lot of the cases you hear about where what would have just been hallway gossip of "did you hear that XX and XY broke up and are fighting?" which now is a viral package of pictures typically of XX being sent around to everyone on campus.
This hypothesis also helps to explain why European countries where snapchat and similar apps never gained huge popularity before there where already campaigns warning young people never to trust that something sent through them would not end up on the internet forever.
But that's all just random speculation on my part, and I have no real evidence to make the connection. All I can say is that the timing and ratio makes me thing that it's worth looking into just how many major depressed teenagers have had some sort of personal material leak outside of the intended recipients.
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#276While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…
My son is 10 and is naturally accelerated across many subjects (12th grade proficiency in ELA, 9th grade proficiency in Math, talented in music, writing, etc). We have been actively indoctrinating our kids with the idea that college is not the be-all-end-all, that they should NOT apply for Ivy schools, 3rd tier schools are very good and if they want to go abroad or even eschew college altogether, we will support them…
I hope you remind your children not to believe everything they see on social media.
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#277While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…
I have a son who’s a sophomore (15 yo, second year in HS) and this comment absolutely rings true. He fences competitively (2 HR training four times a week plus a few hrs with physical therapist) and his life pretty much consists of school, homework and sports. He has to be at school at 7:45am so gets up around 6am, goes to bed around 11am usually, so much for the 8 hrs of sleep per night! And he hasn’t even started t…
Serious question(s):
1. Why does he have to fence competitively? Is it not merely a choice/preference?
2. Same question but for any sports.
As for college, what is he/you aspiring to? Is it some average university like Oklahoma State University or something like UCLA?
I've yet to see evidence that it is hard/competitive to get into the former. And while people who go to highly ranked schools do have a minor advantage, it is fairly slight. I've been to both types of schools, so I have an idea.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Something to consider is that many European countries aggressively track students in conjunction with that free/cheap college. As a consequence, failing during early education can put them onto the vocational track much earlier than you’d see for a U.S. student.
We need to stop knocking vocational programs in the US IMO. College has a learning modality that is not well suited for everyone. I wish I could find the Youtube video but there is a German Manufacturer of CNC machines in the US. Their apprentice program looked excellent/fun. The students were building electric bikes and motors - learning undergraduate level electronics in a hands one fashion - using CAD - then milli…
100%. Stuff that needs done, will still need done and a lot of it is going to be difficult to robot away.
The trades have never been busier, and all the different trades I see at different job sites have the 30 whatever being the young person.
Not only are they in demand, but can pay pretty decently as well, plus have directly applicable individual life uses, causing most of us tradesmen to spend very little $ maintaining our own things (cars, houses, etc).
Go to college, awesome. Or learn to use your hands and do something well, awesome.
The stuck in retail / service middle ground seems to be the hardest path in life, and obviously so very subjective, but I'd find that long term path not very internally rewarding, either.
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
I honestly see value in having scars, both the physical and mental varieties. Scars create resilience. We saw this during the recent pandemic. The upper-middle class "high achieving, high anxiety" types who had never faced any real danger or hardship were the most likely to panic and demand all sorts of ridiculous lockdowns and mandates, even though the vast majority of them were never at any significant risk. Wherea…
>> Some people just need to harden the f** up and quit catastrophizing every little thing. You assume that this is simply a matter a making a decision and acting on it -- which for you may be true. There are others that will find this difficult-to-impossible to achieve regardless of their intellectual desire to change. Their experience of anxiety may not be a result of "catastrophizing" or "being soft."
Im not trying to be argumentative, but at that point is this behavior worth encouraging?
I guess whose fault is it but their own? We can all blame our upbringing and it definitely does affect us, but how else can you change the cycle without telling someone to snap out of it ?
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012
#280good times (pax americana) create weak people (fat, depressed, entilted, egomaniacs, etc) we need a 'war' to prune the tree of life yet again human is not above the nature winter is comming
Are you seriously suggesting it's a good idea to kill off a bunch of folks? Let me guess, you are in the group that gets to survive, and you just want to provide a "solution" to all the people that you dislike. I have a better idea: lead by example. Why don't you demonstrate the effectiveness of removing a bad branch on yourself first?
>folks
You illustrated his point.