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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by richbell »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #234
13of40 wrote: post #166

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Maybe this is already well-known, but I saw another behavior recently on some subrreddits where a lot of new posts are seemingly getting a single downvote to a score of zero. I suspected there was some troll doing it, so I went down the line and gave about 20 or 30 of them a single up vote back to one, refreshed the page, and most of them had immediately gone back to zero. I think the mods must have a button for squa…

There is also just a massive amount of bots on reddit. Unidan, a old famous redditor, was involved in a controversy where he would use bots to down vote all the posts made at the same time as his own posts so that his posts would be more visible. He's not the only one doing things like that

There are a LOT of bots, yes. Pretty much any submission that makes it to /r/all had a high likelihood of:

- being a submitted by bot reposting popular posts

- having comments from bots that repost popular comments from prior submissions

Though I'm pretty sure Unidan just logged into alternate accounts and downvoted things manually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2c9ida/reca...

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by kibwen »

prettyStandard wrote: post #243
thiht wrote: post #231

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> everybody is automatically added to the subreddits that Reddit chooses. No? That’s not how Reddit works, you join the subreddits you want to join

It's called "the defaults".

The concept of default subreddits stopped existing in 2017.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Manuel_D wrote: post #224
kitsunesoba wrote: post #196

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It's generally not gone over well when it's discovered that an artist has been copying composition, poses, etc from pre-existing work of the same type. Manga and comic artists for example have had their careers derailed over it. Stylistic mimicry is more murky, partially because humans aren't as good at cloning styles — inevitably the clone will take on some influence from the one doing the copying, which isn't true…

Copying entire compositions is different from references. I'm case you're unfamiliar, artists usually have a few images off to the side of their workpiece to look at for inspiration and to reference colors and image elements.

That's the thing though, a it's not uncommon for ML-generated images have major elements that are almost 1:1 copies of existing pieces, especially if the prompt includes an artist's name or a style that's closely tied to a particular artist, going well beyond an artist using existing pieces for reference/inspiration.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by drdaeman »

tines wrote: post #195
MrNeon wrote: post #167

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> what really matters in art is the process You don't get to define what is art. Art can and does move people who have absolutely no idea of what the process to create it was. You have your way to experience art, it isn't the only way. In fact you have a limited ability to learn about the process, how much of it are you making up in your head?

When the flush of a newborn sun fell first on Eden's green and gold, Our father Adam sat under the Tree and scratched with a stick in the mold; And the first rude sketch that the world had seen was joy to his mighty heart, Till the Devil whispered behind the leaves: "It's pretty, but is it Art?" - Rudyard Kipling

"Hey, anything's art if you do it in a black sweater". - Mr. Wiggles

This said, according to the renown authorities on the matter, it's definitely about the process. :-)

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by kibwen »

dragontamer wrote: post #181
root_axis wrote: post #74

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Ah yes, usenet and irc, two platforms where moderators never ban people for capricious reasons.

I'm less interested in bad moderators per se, as much as I am more concerned about "permanently owning a major, important name on Reddit". On IRC, if the channel goes dead, the channel name is back up for grabs. This means that the admins can kick everyone out of a room and "Reset the ownership" of a name, if necessary. (Ex: #Ubuntu suffers from a glitch and gets taken over by griefers. Admins come in, kick everyone…

> The subreddit name can be lost forever. I don't think its a good system of name management.

This is mistaken. Subreddits without active moderators get replaced with a landing page that instructs interested parties to put in an application to take over.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by 13of40 »

richbell wrote: post #267
Seattle3503 wrote: post #248

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13of40 was talking about a single button that mass downvotes multiple comments. None of the default (nor popular) clients support this functionality, but you could script your own version using the reddit API.

Oh, I guess I misinterpreted that because it's a bizarre speculation. Shwartzworld is correct, the votes are fuzzed and deliberately fluctuate so that it's difficult for bots to tell whether they've been detected.

I was talking about a button that sets the score for a single submission to zero and makes it stick. I know the numbers are fuzzed, but I don't think fuzzing will take something with a score of 1 and show it as 0.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by BitwiseFool »

AlexandrB wrote: post #156
Auracle wrote: post #122

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I guess we’re back to crude cave paintings. Tear down all the statues and burn the museums.

> Tear down all the statues and burn the museums. No need. Soon there will be so much AI generated "art" that human-made art will largely be pushed out of popular consciousness.

I'm not trying to be glib, but I wonder if people had a similar speculations in the past when photography was first invented. I could certainly see people thinking drawing and painting was doomed because photographs can produce an exact capture in a fraction of the time it would take for an artist to merely depict the likeness of the subject.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by MrNeon »

danogentili wrote: post #202
MrNeon wrote: post #167

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> what really matters in art is the process You don't get to define what is art. Art can and does move people who have absolutely no idea of what the process to create it was. You have your way to experience art, it isn't the only way. In fact you have a limited ability to learn about the process, how much of it are you making up in your head?

I can very well get to define what art means to me. Process is actually very easy to infer if the art is made by a human, since the emotions that are being conveyed by the humans behind the screen are displayed directly on screen. I don't deny that I might get moved by a piece of AI art, but even so, my first thought goes to what human art was used to generated this specific piece that inspired this emotion. An AI ca…

> I can very well get to define what art means to me.

Never meant to say otherwise.

> Process is actually very easy to infer if the art is made by a human, since the emotions that are being conveyed by the humans behind the screen are displayed directly on screen.

I couldn't disagree more, unless you have some method, some mechanism I know not of you are only guessing. It is good guessing because humans are more alike than not but still only guessing.

Often not even the artist himself knows the process.

I have grown to abhor legislation, if you want to aggress the users of AI tools then do it yourself without the help of the state.

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Post by alar44 »

jfk13 wrote: post #199
alar44 wrote: post #47

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Nothing is being copied. If you understand how AI models work you'd realize that's impossible considering the model is a few GB. How could every piece of artwork be in there? It's not a database lookup.

But can you seriously deny that everything the model generates is a derivative of the inputs? And if it's a derived work, it might not constitute "fair use" of the input materials. That depends on.... well, I'm not a copyright lawyer, so I won't attempt to specify, but I don't think we have any clear answers yet.

Everything is a derivative of everything. What is art school? They derive their skills from other well known artists.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by MichaelZuo »

schwartzworld wrote: post #239
vikingerik wrote: post #128

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Why do Reddit moderators do their work? They are paid in power. They get to decide what viewpoints are seen or not by others. That is a very compelling wage. And of course they all think they're doing a service by advancing their ideology because of course their ideology is the right one.

That may be true of the big subreddits. I moderate a small, niche one simply because I was visiting it every day for years and then they needed a mod. I saw it as a chance to improve an online space that I liked.

This doesn't seem to contradict the parent. Presuming that you are improving it along a certain direction, not in a random walk back and forth.
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