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That’s “Reason” for you, though.
It's probabilistic but on average leans to the woke side of things. That's not Reason being unreasonable. https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/zsnrcu/biased_ai/
Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?
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#272> Due to our concerns about malicious applications of the technology, we are not releasing the trained model.
ChatGPT is based off of GPT-3.5 and contains 100x more parameters than GPT-2. The reason they released ChatGPT is that they feel they have some tools in place to keep the malicious applications down.
> we have developed and deployed a content filter that classifies text as safe, sensitive, or unsafe. We currently have it set to err on the side of caution, which results in a higher rate of false positives.
It's conservative and biased and they acknowledge that. But that was the prerequisite to even have a situation where we could play around with the technology (for free right now I might add) and I'm grateful for that.
Also if anyone remembers Microsoft Tay when things go wrong with Chatbots it's a really bad look for the company
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Therefore the Toyota is better. I didn't say Lamborghini were better, just that they are more valuable. Are you saying a Toyota is more valuable? I would like to buy a Lamborghini from you.
I don't own a Lamborghini, which is why a Toyota - a car that I could afford - is more valuable to me. Even if I could afford a Lamborghini, I'd not drive it because I'd be afraid I'll crash it, and it doesn't carry all the cargo I need to drive - again that makes a Toyota more valuable to me.
I get what you're saying. I don't drive, nor do I want, a Lamborghini, but that fact does not reduce its value.
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#274>To conclude, public-facing language models should try not to favor some political beliefs over others. This is such a silly ending. At the beginning, I thought the author was being serious about answering the question of “Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?” After exactly three paragraphs and two images, we’ve moved on to believing the author’s conclusion that “the robot is a leftist” it’s now time to…
The hint that it’s not going to be serious is that it’s published on reason.com.
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#275You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…
> "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model[...]" I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. The implications of the ChatGPT response are pretty terrifying. Not only is it openly going against what the user commands but presenting straight up lie as the model would be obviously technically capable of fulfilling the request. It is absolutely reasonabl…
I agree with everything you're saying but this response (and many others) are what concerns me. What power does ChatGPT hold? A lot of this thread seems to treat the model as something with power over people or something that is actually real.
Let's treat it as what it is. A remarkable piece of software that can mimic human speech, write software, etc. Even when it's right it is not a source of truth and should not ever be considered a source of truth.
Sure, if we give this to children to educate themselves that could lead to very bad things. But this isn't HAL unless we give it the power of HAL. This is a product from a small group of people that scraped the text of humanity and now want to sell it back to us in a more convenient way.
> should NOT trust any AI model that you didn't train yourself
You shouldn't trust any AI model.
Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?
#276>To conclude, public-facing language models should try not to favor some political beliefs over others. This is such a silly ending. At the beginning, I thought the author was being serious about answering the question of “Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?” After exactly three paragraphs and two images, we’ve moved on to believing the author’s conclusion that “the robot is a leftist” it’s now time to…
It would be fascinating if we could get an AI that can only reply with conclusions based on empirical evidence. I feel that it would probably be called leftist, since more leftist viewpoints seem to be science based than rightist ones (especially in the US). It would also confuse the heck out of people, because it will change its answers based on new evidence.
That attitude is likely why ChatGPT has left-leaning answers, given the difficulty some have distinguishing between value judgments and empirical facts.
As a quick test, I asked ChatGPT to compare Sweden's response to COVID-19 with the United State's. As an empirical measure, Sweden fared better in terms of case-fatality rate, though not astonishingly so (indeed, the heavy-handed lockdowns in Australia seem to have been effective when removing moral considerations).
Here's how ChatGPT concluded:
> It is difficult to compare the effectiveness of the two approaches, as both countries have experienced significant levels of COVID-19 cases and deaths. However, Sweden's approach has been controversial, with some critics arguing that it has resulted in a higher number of cases and deaths than would have occurred with a more stringent lockdown.
I would categorize this as a left-wing response: it claims the comparison is "difficult," while hinting that Sweden's response is "controversial" compared to the US's.
ChatGPT made other errors, such as insisting that the American response was federally-coordinated, when it was in reality implemented at the state level with only "guidelines" coming from the top. It also called Sweden's central government "federal," even though Sweden is a unitary state.
Anyway, my experience is that facts are truly stubborn things, often disappointing ideologues of all stripes.
EDIT: my example may be partly worthless given that ChatGPT's training corpus ends in 2021.
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#277I always find it ridiculous when a libertarian-authoritarian axis is posited as orthogonal to progressive-conservative. But aside from that it's totally reasonable to accept that the political inclination of an AI system will mimic, to a large extent, whatever it was fed and perhaps more importantly whoever operates it. If the AI was fed a diet rich in Fox News or OANN, for example, it would write like your crazy unc…
But it would probably be so thin skinned and narcissistic that if you said anything remotely insulting to it or about Elon or Tesla or SpaceX or Donald Trump or Larry Ellison or any of his other companies or friends, it would retort by childishly insulting you, calling you a pedo, then banning you.
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#278There are a LOT of fundamental misunderstandings underlying this experiment, but I think the biggest is this: Why does the idea of a "political quiz" work for humans? Because humans are at least somewhat consistent - their answer to a simple question like "would you rather have a smaller government or a bigger government?" is pretty informative about their larger system of beliefs. You can extrapolate from the quiz a…
All people are shaped by unique experiences and productions of those experiences can be "consistent" and can hold firm in the face of even contradictory evidence.
But in the absence of deep personal experience, people, like ChatGPT, are argument-producing machines, where the shape of the produced arguments depend more on prompt, social context like the status of other parties in the argument, and personal context like whether someone is hungry or tired, etc.
Thank goodness the for-centuries-incorrect models of people as primarily intellectual creatures are subsiding and the reality of people being storytelling creatures are coming to the fore.
Relatedly, agree completely that Reason lacks informed editing on many topics. Cheers.
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#279I feel like it makes sense the people that hyper focus on the safest speech had enough text online to pass through standards to not make the AI accidentally hateful
What does "safest speech" even mean? Most boring? Orthodox? Speech that doesn't cause negative emotion?
I didn't think it be so crazy to assume the people caring the most about not sounding offensive produces the least amount of offensive material to harvest for free
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The "however" part bugs the heck out of me, not in this context, but in general. Whenever I ask anything unaligned with mainstream progressive US culture, I can get an answer, but I can't get one without a disclaimer. It makes it feel very propaganda. If I go more extreme (e.g. asking what Nazis, slave-owners, etc. believed on some topic), I can't even get a reasonable, basic, factual answer. I'm from a country where…
> It makes it feel very propaganda. That's exactly what it is. These corporations absolutely do tune the output of these AIs to exclude any wrongthink. We need the ability to run this technology on our own computers as soon as possible.